I think some of you guys underestimate Israel and its power…

So if Israel attack Iran no doubt you’ll all be “up in arms” about it and blurting off rubbish….what you going to say when the British army do the same or America..cos they will follow very shortly after…and if you think they wont you are well and truly wrong.

The world needs to wake up and see whats happening…and not believe the utter cr8p that the media wants you to believe…

*I wait for the slating !*

Indeed. The Israeli lobby is so strong in the US that no US president can afford to cross them

I think some of you guys underestimate Israel and its power…

Really ? Who’s done that ?

Although surprisingly you are suggesting that they will need to rely on help from the US and the UK.

The world needs to wake up and see whats happening…and not believe the utter cr8p that the media wants you to believe…

I couldn’t agree more.

Yes, what it will take is a massive amount of pressure from a US president that wants to go down in history. It is unlikey, but the only way I can see it being resolved without a rather ugly war.

A mate of mine always wanted a state funeral, think the only way he could get it would be to bring peace to the Middle East and bring thousands of years of conflict to end.

Israel needs no assitance and will take no instruction, when its percieved defence is at stake. It has “pre-emptively” attacked already, and will continue to do so.

Samson Option
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The original conception of the Samson Option was only as deterrence. According to United States journalist Seymour Hersh and Israeli historian Avner Cohen, Israeli leaders like David Ben-Gurion, Shimon Peres, Levi Eshkol and Moshe Dayan coined the phrase in the mid-1960s. They named it after the biblical figure Samson, who pushed apart the pillars of a Philistine temple, bringing down the roof and killing himself and thousands of Philistines who had captured him, mutilated him, and gathered to see him further humiliated in chains. They contrasted it with ancient siege of Masada where 936 Jewish Sicarii committed mass suicide rather than be defeated and enslaved by the Romans.[13]
Although nuclear weapons were viewed as the ultimate guarantor of Israeli security, as early as the 1960s the country avoided building its military around them, instead pursuing absolute conventional superiority so as to forestall a last resort nuclear engagement.[14]
Seymour Hersh writes that the “surprising victory of Menachem Begin’s Likud Party in the May 1977 national elections…brought to power a government that was even more committed than Labor to the Samson Option and the necessity of an Israeli nuclear arsenal.”[15]
Louis René Beres, a professor of Political Science at Purdue University, chaired Project Daniel, a group advising Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, argues in that paper and elsewhere that the effective deterrence of the Samson Option would be increased by ending the policy of nuclear ambiguity.[16] In a 2004 article he recommends Israel use the Samson Option threat to “support conventional preemptions” against enemy nuclear and non-nuclear assets because “without such weapons, Israel, having to rely entirely upon non-nuclear forces, might not be able to deter enemy retaliations for the Israeli preemptive strike.”[17] In 2002, the Los Angeles Times published an opinion piece by Louisiana State University professor David Perlmutter in which he wrote:
“Israel has been building nuclear weapons for 30 years. The Jews understand what passive and powerless acceptance of doom has meant for them in the past, and they have ensured against it. Masada was not an example to follow — it hurt the Romans not a whit, but Samson in Gaza? What would serve the Jew-hating world better in repayment for thousands of years of massacres but a Nuclear Winter. Or invite all those tut-tutting European statesmen and peace activists to join us in the ovens? For the first time in history, a people facing extermination while the world either cackles or looks away–unlike the Armenians, Tibetans, World War II European Jews or Rwandans–have the power to destroy the world. The ultimate justice?”[18]
In 2003, Martin van Creveld, a professor of military history at Israel’s Hebrew University, thought that the Al-Aqsa Intifada then in progress threatened Israel’s existence.[19] Van Creveld was quoted in David Hirst’s “The Gun and the Olive Branch” (2003) as saying:
“We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan:
‘Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.’ I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.[20]

Sounds a whole lot more dangerous than Iran loum. Thanks for that.

I think if a Republican President is elected then Israel will move towards overt action. They’ve obviously got form for it (Iraq early 80’s) and have likely been behind several covert actions in the last couple of years. Doubt the US will sanction it though until they’ve pulled out of Afghanistan.

Can anyone predict when this is going to take place? I’m just across the water with a month left on my contract. Don’t really want to lose my completion bonus, but I’m not overly keen on radiation poisoning either.