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I fancy a steel road/all round/cross bike. Whats any good?

52 posts & 31 voices | Started 6 months ago by davidtaylforth | Latest reply from cynic-al

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davidtaylforth - Member

For some reason I fancy buying some sort of all round road/cross/touring bike.

Ideally it would be a road focussed thing (so light and comfy) but maybe with the ability to fit wider tires and racks/mud guards.

I'd probably build it up for road riding but have a spare set of wheels or tires for if I want to go off road.

I've looked at Surly (cross check and pacer) but they sound a bit heavy.

The Genesis cyclocross bikes look ok but are perhaps abit heavy, the equilibrium looks nice but I dont know whether I could fit wider tires and racks.

The Salsa Casseroll also looks smart, and maybe the Vaya (although perhaps this isnt "road" focussed enough)

What else is there? Please dont recommend a Cotic, they look shit and I dont think they're very light either.

Posted 6 months ago #
oxnop - Member

I've had an equilibrium 20 for the past month or so.

I run 25c tyres and full guards and absolutely love it, it's used as a commuter mainly but if I fancy a bad weather training ride it's perfect.

It weighs 20lbs and can safely say I enjoy riding it more than my previous road bike (16lb merlin metalworks/ full dura-ace etc)

Not sure I'd take it off road with the std forks though.

Posted 6 months ago #
matthewlhome - Member

I have a cross check and although not light, rides nice enough to forget about the weight. I run various tyres from 25c slicks to 1.8 29er tyres but mostly 35c land cruisers with full mudguards. This set up still has decent mud clearance for off road even with the guards fitted. If I was buying a full bike though I would be tempted by the salsa Fargo due the versility it offers ( the main reason I chose the surly)

Posted 6 months ago #
davidtaylforth - Member

I do like the look of the equilibrium. Does it have space for cx tires and does it have rack mounts?

In terms of off road, I'd probalby be riding fire roads, that sort of thing, so nothing to lairy.

Posted 6 months ago #
Bez - Member

Wouldn't dismiss the Surlys on weight alone. They're great bikes and the Cross Check will do just about anything; you couldn't ask for a more versatile bike.

Frame weight is no big deal, just get some sprightly wheels and tyres. My CC is currently loaded up as a winter audaxyish thing with very average componentry, mudguards, 28s, a rear rack, lights, a little bar bag (and on longer rides, a sizeable rack pack and extra bottles) and it doesn't feel sluggish (and the stopwatch agrees).

Posted 6 months ago #
ahwiles - Member

davidtaylforth - Member

I do like the look of the equilibrium. Does it have space for cx tires and does it have rack mounts?

(checks in the kitchen...)

rackmounts: yes, and there's loads of room in the frame/forks/brake callipers for enormous tyres AND mudguards.

and it's beautiful.

and it's lovely to ride - very zingy.

Posted 6 months ago #
mboy - Member

Personally I'd go for the Genesis Croix De Fer. The only reason I didn't was cos I worked out I'd never use it offroad, and a proper road bike (albeit a sportif style geometry one) would be a better bet for me.

They're not the lightest (about 25lb iirc), but a cromoly fork is 1lb heavier than carbon forks, and wider rims and 35c tyres and wider rims probably add nearly 2lb, and discs will add the best part of 1lb over calipers. Have heard from a couple of people that own them, a lighter set of wheels (say open pro on shimano XT hubs for instance) with some 25c tyres for road use transforms it on road, and just keep the standard wheels and tyres for CX use.

Otherwise, any particular reason it has to be steel? Could buy a nice CX bike with an ally frame and carbon fork, bung a carbon seatpost on it too to gain some forgiveness back. It'll certainly be lighter, probably faster, though doubtful as versatile as the Croix De Fer...

Posted 6 months ago #
davidtaylforth - Member

Wouldn't dismiss the Surlys on weight alone. They're great bikes and the Cross Check will do just about anything; you couldn't ask for a more versatile bike.

From what I've read, most people seem to rate it.

However, this bike will primarily be used for road riding, but I would like the ability to pootle along fire roads if I wanted to.

Thats why I dont want the croix d fer, its dead heavy and disc brakes etc dont really matter if Im barely using it off road.

Whats a Salsa Casseroll like?

Posted 6 months ago #
birdo - Member

i ve got an planet x uncle john . put some roadrat wheels on it and a 1 x 9 set up and it s great . nice and comfy and not too heavy .they do some nice deals on the planet x site on various configurations.

Posted 6 months ago #
samuri - Member

Kaffenback.

Here's mine on touring trim

underbarrow-0003 by Jon Wyatt, on Flickr

It's had CX tyres in there no problem too.

Road trim.

kaffenback by Jon Wyatt, on Flickr

Posted 6 months ago #
jonba - Member

Some of the Kinesis cross bikes might fit the bill. I looked at them and came to the conclusion you'd need to build your own to get a decent build.

Others I looked at were the planet x uncle john, charge filter, focus mares range, cannondale caadx (very nice looking bike).

I bought a focus mares AX3 lowest of their CX bikes. It has mounts etc that I can turn it into a tourer or commuter. Although it is a cross bike it is more than capable on the road it may need a tweek with a different stem if I was going to start riding regular centuries but it is comfortable. I also own a focus cayo which I love and is what I'm comparing it to.

Posted 6 months ago #
davidtaylforth - Member

I quite like the look of the kaffenback, but I reckon its maybe a bit heavy and not quite "roadie" enough.

Those charge juicers look good, doesnt sound like you can fit racks though?

Posted 6 months ago #
charlie the bikemonger - Member

Cross check. Lovely and not heavy. I would say these weigh in lighter than many others.

It's one bike that does everything.

Race, tour, on road, off road. One of the greatest bikes of all time.

Give me a call or email if you want to chat about this, or take one of our demo bikes out.

Posted 6 months ago #
davidtaylforth - Member

I'd love to have a go one one, but it looks like you're at the other end of the country!

Posted 6 months ago #
matt22 - Member

Ive been looking at the genesis croix de fer i think it looks cool with the brown seat and grip tape its also a bit slack so might feel right coming from a mountain bike they say its got all the pannier bosses and some dude has riden it around the world not a bad advert for a bike. Ive not ridden one but its what ive found when been looking for the same thing your after.

Posted 6 months ago #
crispedwheel - Member

Singular Peregrine?

Posted 6 months ago #
druidh - Member

Why steel?

Posted 6 months ago #
davidtaylforth - Member

Not really sure "why steel"

Never had a steel road bike before, I've got a carbon race bike now and its very stiff, I used to have an aluminium road biek and that was also very stiff.

I imagine something with thin stays like the Genesis Equilibrium would be fairly comfortable.

Not sure about the Cross Check though, its supposed to be very weighty, and hence fairly solid I guess?

Posted 6 months ago #
Del - Member

'nother crosscheck owner here. using it as my commuter, mixed on and off road with the dog, ss, fitted with 35 cx tyres. i have to lift it over 5 stiles each way, it has a bottle battery and another bottle with tools etc. too, and i don't find it very heavy.
feels fun to ride, snappy without being unstable, will do everything, is nicely finished. charlie's stickers match the surly ones pretty well too.
keep thinking about 1x9 for it, to make it a bit bit more versatile, but the price of shifters is scary and i have a tendency to drop it when i'm pi55ed...

Posted 6 months ago #
druidh - Member

davidtaylforth - Member
Not really sure "why steel"

Never had a steel road bike before, I've got a carbon race bike now and its very stiff, I used to have an aluminium road biek and that was also very stiff.
Aluminium doesn't have to be stiff - it's all in the design. For instance, you might like a Kinesis Tripster. I know two folk who've bought these as winter bike/cross/tourer.

Considered Ti?

Posted 6 months ago #
cynic-al - Member

Casseroll = no disc mounts, silly high head tube and 32mm tyres max (based on my 09 model). Rides nice though.

Have to say I'd love a light steel x bike that could shit the roadies up on a chain gang with some 23s.

Criox de Fers weigh a ton as do Kaffenbacks (tho Samurai, as ever, gets his usual prize for recommending his own bike when it's not even close to what is being discussed)

Posted 6 months ago #
Bez - Member

"it's not even close to what is being discussed"

Huh? The thread I'm reading says "I fancy a steel road/all round/cross bike" - what's the Kaffenback then?

Posted 6 months ago #
cynic-al - Member

davidtaylforth - Member
For some reason I fancy buying some sort of all round road/cross/touring bike.

Ideally it would be a road focussed thing (so light and comfy)

Various other comments re. weight. Kaffenbak frame is 2.4kg FFS.

EAT MY WIN !

Posted 6 months ago #
paul4stones - Member

I have a Genesis Vapour that I've had since 2007. It's my only 'road' bike and I've done the Northern Rock Cyclone 107 miles; a 10 mile TT; one big tour of Northumberland of 210 miles and three 3 peaks and associated training on it. I haven't toured on it but sure it would without trouble. Weighs about 20/21lbs last time I weighed it.

Posted 6 months ago #
Bez - Member

Ok, so, if we take a look at Weightweenies then we can see that a Kaffenback is no more than 3lb heavier than a CAAD8, a Merlin Extralight or a Wilier Mortirolo (none of which you're going CXing on).

I'd guess it wouldn't be too expensive to build those up to, say, 18lb? Which means it wouldn't be too expensive to build a Kaffenback up to 21lb (especially as you've got a big pile of spare change). And the difference is only static weight. Not that heavy, really, for something that'll happily handle off-road and touring.

Posted 6 months ago #
thorpie - Member

I have a custom built Croix de Fer and it isn't that heavy at all. Sounds ideal to me for what you want with the clearance for cx tyres and all the mounts you could want.

Trevor.

Posted 6 months ago #
bikewhisperer - Member

Had a Kaffenback with flat bars and those dinky cane creek bar-ends It was brill. Great for off-roading, so much so that I often left the mountain bike at home for hacking round Hampshire trails. I rode it to Cornwall once.. Was very comfortable too, and handled well with weight.
I sold it to a mate when I went abroad, and regretted it, so I'm going to get me a Pompino frame and fork for my current roadie and make a freako 3 speed version of it.

Edit: Don't know if they've changed at all, but there was limited clearance for big tyres to the seat tube.. Hence why a Pomp with track ends seems to be a good choice..

Posted 6 months ago #
cynic-al - Member

Bez it's still a tank no matter how much dura ace gets hung on it.

I'm not saying it's crap, nor that it won't ride nice, but it's not a light frame nor will it build into a light bike.

OP I have a 57cm Casserrol with disc mounts for sale-the older better geometry.

Posted 6 months ago #
cows_in_cars - Member

davidtaylforth - Member
I quite like the look of the kaffenback, but I reckon its maybe a bit heavy and not quite "roadie" enough.

Not sure how a kaffenback is less "roadie" than a cross check or a Criox de Fer? The Kaffenback has more road orientated geometry than the cross style bikes and to me seems like an obvious choice for what your looking for; unless you want to go custom, only way I can see your going to get a light weight steel all rounder.

But if you say you want it for mainly the road and then the odd fire road excursion, a road bike, like say the equilibrium, will be fine, fit biggish tyres (25c upwards)and you won't have any problems. I ride my aluminium framed road bike, with 23c tyres, off road (fire road and light single track) fairly regularly, it's not ideal on the single track but quite fun and no problem at all with fire road (I will fit bigger tyres soonish). If you are just going to be riding fire road type off road a road bike will be fine, just look at the paris roubaix, much rougher than most fire roads!

Posted 6 months ago #
charlie the bikemonger - Member

I have friend who fanied around trying different frames. He had the same brief as you.

Me and Crashy went halves and got him a surly cross check frame for his birthday. And he has been loving it ever since.

Go steel. It's weigh that works for you. The point of alloy is it's light but at the price if comfort. Steel flexes and shrugs off bad vibes and bumps.

Also look at the salsa Fargo. It's an excellent drop bar 29er. Stick touring tyres on and it's a great alrounder but also capable of being a proper Mtb.

Posted 6 months ago #
jfeb - Member

Been said already but a Singular Peregrine:

Posted 6 months ago #
paul4stones - Member

Obviously I know my Vapour is aluminium. I was just making a point about comfort and versatility.

Posted 6 months ago #
Del - Member

salsa list the casseroll at 21.5lbs single speed on a 47cm frame
not exactly a leightweight itself, is it?

Posted 6 months ago #
thebikechain - Member

David,
I used a Cross Check right thorough the past 18months until last month.
Great all rounder. Although with out light wheels and tyres it can feel slow on the road. You only notice though when you get on a proper road bike and it is quite a difference. Handling off road is nice, very steady as she goes and easy to manage when slippy.

Now on a Casseroll, MUCH better as a road bike and handles ok on canal and old railway paths and even some with small stones and the like.

Better position for commuting for me on the Cass, i suffered terrible toe overlap on the CC and that is why i changed it.

Casseroll suits fast commuting well and general just going for a ride type riding. it takes a wide enough range of tyre sizes and allows fenders and racks. The CC does this also, but overall the Cass is a better ride.

Hope that helps a little.

Posted 6 months ago #
kudos100 - Member

Oh the shame. From BMX to touring bikes. Next you'll be asking which pipe and slippers

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