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Have we done the NOTW/ Tommy Sheridan/unsafe conviction yet?
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Posted 10 months ago #
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its hardly comparable. Dave employed Andy Coulson as his press secretary, when all this stuff was already starting to unravel, and accepted his word that he had nothing to do with it.
This is what will hurt Dave as it wlll show his judgement is flawed.Posted 10 months ago # -
I am just peed off at the amount this is likely to cost the taxpayer TBH
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I thought you followed politics ernie? In case you missed it, the Tories are the party in power. that means they get the kicking.
Which means that no Labour politician can be criticised ? And we can all pretend that the Tories did something which Labour never did ?
Fixed it
No need to fix anything I say - if you don't agree with it then say so. I'm fairly confident in my ability to say what I mean. HTH
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I doubt very much you'd have caught Alastair Campbell/Malcolm Tucker authorising payments to bent coppers though.
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Labour cosied up to NI and ran scared of them. CallmeDave brought NI right next to him by employing Coulson.
While both were at it the Tories are far closer to NI and thus more deserving of critism.
Coulson was clearly in criminal activity right up to his neck yet CallmeDave still employed him and tried to defend him.
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Whilst the whole situation is pretty shambolic, there does seem to be a lot of double standards going on here, no-one was really that bothered about Prescott or others' having their phones hacked, but recent revelations have sparked a public outcry - at the end of the day they were hacking phones which they shouldn't be doing at all.
There is an irony that they were doing it to create stories to sell papers because that's what people talk about and now the public disgust about what has happened.
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Lets hope Call-me-Dave sticks to what he does best over the Sky deal. A screaming, tyre-smoking U-turn followed by hanging people out to dry.
It'll be novel for the people at NI, who have done what they like with complete and utter impunity, to now have to face the same laws the rest of us have to adhere too.
Maybe we might get an added bit of needle from Call-me-Dave for making him look daft too. Whatever happens, we've now crossed a line as NI's power and influence is diminishing by the minute. People with very little political interest are now seeing them for what they are.
I wonder if there's anyone who may have been wronged in the past, who might be lining up to settle some old scores? Hmmmmmmmmmmm
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Whatever happens, we've now crossed a line as NI's power and influence is diminishing by the minute.
I wish I had your confidence that Murdoch's power has been/will be diminished significantly binners.
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Ernie
Surprised that you need it explained to you, but here you are anyway
Labour are not the party in power
Nobody really cares what the party not in power do or say.
When this was actually happening, Labour were the party in power and their behaviour, not just in cosying up to Murdioch but in a whole raft of other area wastotally reprensiblereally bad (keeping simple for you there). But so what? They're not the party in power, no one cares. The Tories are in power which means they're the focus of media (that's the newspapers and stuff) attention. If they point at the labour banches and say it all happened during Labour time and that makes labour no better, it'll look like cry baby tittle tattle. So Labour get away with it. Like I said in my post
Had it been pre-election, labour would be getting it and the Tories would be on the sidleines cheering.
But then that was the second sentence, maybe you dodnt feel the need to read that far before pronouncing.NoThanks for seeing the need to fix anything I say - if you don't agree with it
then say soyou're probably right. I'm fairly confident in my inability to say what I mean
You're welcomePosted 10 months ago # -
Whatever happens, we've now crossed a line as NI's power and influence is diminishing by the minute.
Indeed, for another week or two.
A couple of months from now, well, lets see, shall we?
What might be interesting is that by the time the Shagger Sheridan rematch is schduled, we'll have forgotten all this and have moved on, and the rematch might just bring it back to fore. Anyone fancy some odds on an out of court settlement?Posted 10 months ago # -
BigButSlimmerBloke - Member
Ernie
Surprised that you need it explained to you, but here you are anyway
Labour are not the party in power
Nobody really cares what the party not in power do or say.
When this was actually happening, Labour were the party in power and their behaviour, not just in cosying up to Murdioch but in a whole raft of other area was totally reprensible really bad (keeping simple for you there). But so what? They're not the party in power, no one cares. The Tories are in power which means they're the focus of media (that's the newspapers and stuff) attention. If they point at the labour banches and say it all happened during Labour time and that makes labour no better, it'll look like cry baby tittle tattle. So Labour get away with it. Like I said in my postHad it been pre-election, labour would be getting it and the Tories would be on the sidleines cheering.
But then that was the second sentence, maybe you dodnt feel the need to read that far before pronouncing.
NoThanks for seeing the need to fix anything I say - if you don't agree with it then say so you're probably right. I'm fairly confident in my inability to say what I mean
You're welcome
Gosh BigButSlimmerBloke, I had no idea you were so childish.
Still, live and learn eh ?
Posted 10 months ago # -
If we can all stop bickering...
Read the Peter Oborne article I posted up there^^ - as far as he's concerned, all partiesd are as up to their neck in NI complicity as anyone else.
Also, if you need to be convinced about the Labour apporach to NI post election (and, importantly), post Mili's election, read the leaked Tom Baldwin memo from January 2011 to Labour front benchers:
http://order-order.com/2011/07/06/what-happened-to-baldwins-memo
Note that Baldwin is ex News International....
Posted 10 months ago # -
Why do folk say "Call-Me-Dave"? What's that all about then? Is it too matey?
I don't recall that grinning feckwit being pulled up as "Call-Me-Tony"
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Mr Cameron like to be called Dave
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In the same way as Tony was, you know, a straight-up kinda guy
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So NI is closing down NOTW.
Clever politics by Murdoch, to shut it down and separate it from NI as a whole. Even though we all think/know it is indicative of the morality of NI as a whole, proving it becomes more difficult now, and gives the police and politicians to kick it into the long grass and cover their own asses.
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Closing down NOTW is nothing more than a cynical re-branding exercise. Sunday Sun will be on sale from the following week...
Posted 10 months ago # -
Absolutely, but it still gives the establishment the "out" they needed from the current mess.
Posted 10 months ago # -
so does this mean sheriden will get let off and probably get a fat pile of compensation too?
and if coulson gets sent down would he dob cameron in 1st?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/22/andy-coulson-investigated-perjury-allegations
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