The best evidence for the moon landings is that they left a mirror on the moon in order to fire a laser at it and measure the time it takes for the light to return, hence measuring the distance and how fast the moon is moving away from the earth. If it didn't happen how come the laser comes back? That is the true beauty of science, if you don't believe something you can test it yourself, yes it may be costly, but still you can test it yourself and discover the truth.
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Have we REALLY been to the moon?
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i've been told not to shine my lazerpen at the moon anymore to try and prove the moon exists. **** convenient excuse that the pilots dont like it if you ask me.
prove the moon exists and them maybe i'll believe you.
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Ha ha at Phil
very good
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It was an amazing time in space history with huge imaginative thoughts and dreams, now..now its run by Accountants
Really? I think space exploration over the last 30 years has been a fantastic achievement, and far more exciting than the moon landings. the things we know about the universe are incredible compared to when we went to the moon.Posted 8 months ago # -
yunki - Member
A ZX Spectrum had more power than the whole mission, IIRC could have knocked up a more sophisticated piece of evidence than that daft photo..
FTFYI'd be surprised if a zx spectrum could even display that image.
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sorry but this is just as compelling
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Which one's Buzz? The Blue one or the Yellow one?
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btw I agree the photo is daft, just pointing out technicalities!
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Have we really been to the moon
YES!
Despite our many failings human beings really are capable of quite amazing things, putting men on the moon is just one of them.
It was a quite staggering achievement given the technology of the time.
How about some simple optimism on the forum for a change?
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They (we) stopped going back because of what they (we) found there.
There have been several well known feature length documentaries on this including 'First Men In The Moon' and 'Apollo 18', which I believe one can see in one's local cinematography emporium currently
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Regarding the radiation,the 5 minute thing was a sign that was up on the wall when I went for an xray. An xray only takes 1 minute off your life. Not sure if there is higher cancer among pilots , just letting you know what the sign said.
The space station is in a low orbit inside the van Allen belt ( I think!) which shields a lot of radiation.
Don't forget I am pro moon landing.Posted 8 months ago # -
I think its a damn site easier to go to the moon than it is to keep the mouths shut of all those NASA employees that would be involved in faking it!
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I don't think it's stupid to be sceptical of something claimed to have been done in a time of far lower technology which is not being done in a time of superior technology.
Personally, I'm not even convinced of my own physical existence let alone any of you delusions. However; things, largely, behave consistantly when I think I am awake. So this is the best I have to go on.
proof for getting to the moon surely must be based on the extensive varity of cheeses available. That cheese has been available for some number of years is also proof that if this is reality, then aliens have visited (via the moon)Posted 8 months ago # -
Just as a slight aside, have a ponder on the comments about modern computing power versus the 60's and 70's.
Voyager 2, currently the fastest machine man has ever built, apparently has 68Kb of storage.
Key considerations are reliability, efficient code, power consumption and obviously strong enough kit to survive the rigours of space travel.
I cba to work out how much power a contemporary PC draws but it's probably safe to say you wouldn't want to design a battery/power system that would run one for 30 years! Plus how long do you think a modern PC would work if you strapped all the individual component parts to a car and drove it in all weathers? - 10 minutes?
Yes computing tech has come on hugely but a lot of (software) products are very bloated. - I'm fairly sure Microsoft don't provide flight control software to the space agencies!!
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Ah but, microprocessor computing has come on a long way too. Clever tricks like sleep modes and dynamic clock speeds as well as huge improvements in chip manufacturing mean we can build much more energy efficient embedded systems these days.
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Thats all well and good but it still seems to me that anyone who thinks man didn't land on the moon is a bit of a flyd.
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I wonder if in the 1800s the eminent members of a Gentleman's Velocipede Club were discussing the whether the Montgolfier brothers really had managed the frankly improbable feat of floating through the air suspended beneath a balloon, or if the whole thing was simply a hoax perpetrated by the French government?
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don't think it's stupid to be sceptical of something claimed to have been done in a time of far lower technology which is not being done in a time of superior technology.
Concorde was faked as well, well there is no supersonic passenger travel now in the 21st Century
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Personally, I'm not even convinced of my own physical existence
have you thought about banging your head against a wall and seeing if the pain persuades you that you are both real?Posted 8 months ago # -
seems to me that anyone who thinks man didn't land on the moon is a bit of a flyd.
I'd say that's about right, yes......
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"The best evidence I've seen against the moon landing is from a photographer who notices photos taken on the moon that are incompatible with the list of photographic equipment taken."
That was the head technician at Hasselblad at the time of the moon landings - he couldn't understand how the crosshairs present at the corners of each frame could have been obscured by the flag and rocky outcrops, in the negatives from the moon. In fact, even with no understanding of camera view-finders, it's patently impossible.
But I've been here before and had the same argument, and there are those on the forum who apparently have a better understanding of the way light refracts than the man responsible for designing and building cameras to take into space.
EDIT: that's not to say I don't believe there have been men on the moon, but those negs were doctored IMO. Perhaps they were damaged and they felt the need to prove their attendance on the moon by faking the photos?
I recall seeing a program that set out to debunk all these myths, using technology and sophisticated studio setups and lighting. The grid marks that show up on all NASA photos aren't on the viewfinder, they are on a clear substrate behind the shutter, IIRC, to make it easier to map photo sequences together for panoramas without distortion, as they would be done in a darkroom, no Photoshop available then, let's not forget. And 'doctoring' would have had to have been done by hand, with an airbrush. To do that and maintain film grain under enlargement would be impossible. I used to retouch photos with a DeVillbiss airbrush, and believe me, it's impossible to do without it showing under enlargement. The grid marks are actually there, it's just that where they should appear on white areas, those areas are somewhat overexposed, being burned out to pure white because of the harsh lighting, with no atmospheric scatter, and so the grid lines just disappear. Modern digital cameras do the same thing, clouds often go pure white, with no subtle shadings of white and grey. I can only speak as someone who has been taking photos for over thirty years, and retouching photos by hand and computer for around the same length of time, so I might actually have a bit of a clue. I'm no expert, mind.Posted 8 months ago # -
Isn't the "computing power" thing an obsession of our age?
Thinking of a comparable 20th Century military industrial project...
... how much "computing power" (as in digtal processing) did the Manhattan Project have access to?? A large number of brilliant minds, many talented engineers and the political, financial and material back-up needed to make it happen -much like the Apollo programme
And that worked - undeniably...
Bletchley Park's Ultra decrypts probably deployed vastly more data processing than either of the above....
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Did we fake the Mars landing(s) too?
I just know someone will post the transformers trailer...
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I'm convinced. Serious looking photographs with intelligent white lines and good, clear annotation does it for me every time
It's the whacking great footpath across the middle of the image that I am talking about. It looks exactly like some vague paths I've seen on satellite pics when scouting bike routes. Very convincing.
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This thread just reminded me of this classic!
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Look what's just been released.... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-14813043
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NASA have obviously been looking at this website and know they have been rumbled.
The fakery continues.............!Posted 8 months ago # -
Argument closed.
Right, now thats sorted can we please start looking for Lord Lucan
BTW, if I was an astronaut on the moon, before leaving I would have at least had the good sense to write "Hello Mum :)" or better "disprove THIS!" on the ground in very big letters using the lunar rover...
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why does the LM look like the Ascent stage is still in place ?
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Wunundred!
Even on holiday!
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More to the point, If the Lunar landings were faked and filmed in a studio in 1969, why did "Battle Beyond The Stars", done in 1980, look so utterly cr@p?
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"BTW, if I was an astronaut on the moon, before leaving I would have at least had the good sense to write "Hello Mum :)" or better "disprove THIS!" on the ground in very big letters using the lunar rover..."
I like your thinking I'd have made a giant cock myself.
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I've just found these images from the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO)
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/main/index.html
Apollo 12 landing side BTW.Posted 8 months ago # -
Amazing photos. Love the idea of the astronauts making giant drawings with the rover without telling anyone what they're up to. Just imagine a giant hand with upraised middle digit...
Sort of takes us to the Nazca figures.Posted 8 months ago # -
more photos
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