This is simply disgusting What a shite Government
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Government Plans To Axe Unfair Dismissal
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Posted 7 months ago #
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You sound surprised?
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Its only the start. corrupt, useless and medacious
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Did you really expect anything good from dave and his chums?...
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What a shite Government
It's a Tory government. A Tory government more right-wing than Thatcher was.
It makes perfect sense that they should think employers must be freely allowed to treat people unfairly, and not forced to treat them fairly.
The what is a tad surprising, I'll grant you, is that because the British people didn't give the Tories a clear mandate to do what they are doing, the LibDems have stepped in to help them.
The LibDems are making all this possible.
The depth of betrayal by the Libdems to their own voters, never mind to the British people, is truly shocking.
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To be rational ( not common here) they have commissioned a report and stated that they will probably not act further on unfair dismissal.
Don't let that stop you though
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You sound surprised?
Not at all. Never would give these a vote
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Written by a tory party donor unfeckingbelievable
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Downing Street says changes to unfair dismissal rules are "unlikely"
Why not read it before going on an anti Tory rant? Instead of just reading the headline, igniting your predudices, and typing?
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....they have commissioned a report and stated that they will probably not act further on unfair dismissal.
So they have pissed money on commissioning a report on an issue which they have no intention of doing anything about ?
Sounds a little wasteful.
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No surprises, it's a recommendation from a venture capitalist. As I understand it though, the subject of the leak is a proposal to streamline dismissal procedures for "underperformers" - dropping the need to go through exhaustive restoring efficiency processes before dismissal is considered.
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The what is a tad surprising, I'll grant you, is that because the British people didn't give the Tories a clear mandate to do what they are doing, the LibDems have stepped in to help them.
The LibDems are making all this possible.
The depth of betrayal by the Libdems to their own voters, never mind to the British people, is truly shocking.
I know and this hurts my values ernie_lynch
totally frustrates my head and to think the Liberals are still standing by this for a small
slice of power
Clegg must be the most hated person to whom voted for them which includes myself.Posted 7 months ago # -
It's only a report. It would help get rid of crap staff at our place. One has sued her previous employers on several occasions despite her actually being quite s***
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Taff - Member
It's only a report. It would help get rid of crap staff at our place. One has sued her previous employers on several occasions despite her actually being quite s**should sack your own staff for not getting a reference
you can't cry the faults of your own staff on here when easily should have been spotted
through procedure of reference checking of new employees .Posted 7 months ago # -
ScottChegg - Member
Why not read it before going on an anti Tory rant?
Have you read the article ScottChegg ?
"The report, commissioned by the prime minister"
This Tory prime minister commissioned a report into the possibility of allowing employers to sack people unfairly. People have every right to express their disgust.
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Wedge, thin end of.
Only a report,
We'll only sack useless staff,
or he one's who make trouble about Health and Safety,
or the people who's face does not fit,
or one's that didn't get a degree
or one's that don't have connected parents or go to the right school or be members of the appropriate club.............
Mind you before this gets enacted it'll be financial meltdown, better start buying the bottled water and cross bows now..........
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johnners - Member
No surprises, it's a recommendation from a venture capitalist. As I understand it though, the subject of the leak is a proposal to streamline dismissal procedures for "underperformers" - dropping the need to go through exhaustive restoring efficiency processes before dismissal is considered.
Its very simple to sack someone for underperforming and can be done a a very few weeks. its s simple and straightforward procedure to sack someone fairly for underperforming. I have done it several times.
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We'll only sack useless staff
Employers can already legally sack people fairly.
And they are allowed to sack people unfairly for the first 12 months of their employment. Many employers automatically sack staff before the 12 months is up.
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Its very simple to sack someone for underperforming and can be done a a very few weeks.
Which utopia are you living in? In the UK it seems almost impossible to get rid of someone unless you spend 6 months monitoring and showing them how crap they are before they then go off on sick for 6 months before you have to start the whole process again!
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Employers can already legally sack people fairly.
And they are allowed to sack people unfairly for the first 12 months of their employment. Many employers automatically sack staff before the 12 months is up.
That is so true, which is normally through redundancies or anything minor
find more so when the employer really wanted someone for short time periodBut thats why most European countries have a business here has the employees are shite poor
and you are easily removed.
We are the near worst in central Europe for employees working rights.That 12 month period should be re addressed
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Which utopia are you living in? In the UK it seems almost impossible to get rid of someone unless you spend 6 months monitoring and showing them how crap they are before they then go off on sick for 6 months before you have to start the whole process again!
Oh brilliant......the Tory Boys start off by strenuously denying that the government would do such a thing, and then move on to suggest that it wouldn't be a bad idea after all
......right I'm off
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Firstly, its a BBC online 'article'.
Have you actually read it? Where does it say its going to happen?
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LHS - I have done it on several occcasions - its simple and straightforward to anyone with a basic understanding of the rules.
You do not have to go back to square one if they have been off sick, it does not take 6 months to do.
Thats what happens with incompetent HR / management. With competent management it can be done in a month. 2 months is easy to do.
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Which utopia are you living in? In the UK it seems almost impossible to get rid of someone unless you spend 6 months monitoring and showing them how crap they are before they then go off on sick for 6 months before you have to start the whole process again!
Agreed - this more closely reflects my experience than TJ's assertion.
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Johners - that will be because the people controlling the process are incompetent as well.
I have done this on a few occasions, I have also defended people as a union rep.
the procedure is simple and straightforward and can be done in a short timescale if you are / have competent HR / management.
Unfortunately it appears that most HR are not competent and cannot manage this simple procedure.
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That 12 month period should be re addressed
It is. The plans are to make it 24 months
I read it that the report suggest making it easier to remove lazy staff and not remove the unfair dismissal option.
I've worked with loads of work shy useless fucktards who have quite well paid secure jobs but because they have employment rights they're just tolerated.
On the other hand myself as salesman I very rarely have the luxury of employment rights because we as a rule are so heavily performance targeted and when companies want rid of salespeople they move the targets and get rid.
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Hmm let's see...is the std stw political thread nonsense present?
TJ predicting the future...CHECK!
TandemJeremy - Member
Its only the start. corrupt, useless and medaciousernie mis-reporting/inferring what suits his political bias...CHECK!
ernie_lynch - Member
So they have pissed money on commissioning a report on an issue which they have no intention of doing anything about ?Daily-Mail type comments on employment law:
Taff - Member
It's only a report. It would help get rid of crap staff at our place. One has sued her previous employers on several occasions despite her actually being quite s***(maybe she actually had a claim because her employers ****ed up?)
Hora and other non-big-hitters actually speaking sense...CHECK!
hora - Member
Firstly, its a BBC online 'article'.Have you actually read it? Where does it say its going to happen?
Pigface - Member
Written by a tory party donor unfeckingbelievableAnyway on a serious point, it seems to me that the rules could be relaxed for small businesses.
grantway - Member
The depth of betrayal by the Libdems to their own voters, never mind to the British people, is truly shocking.THEY ARE A MINORITY IN A POWER-SHARING GOVERMENT. WHAT DID YOU **** EXPECT, LIB DEM POLICIES?
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The thread title is a bit misleading, isn't it?
Unfair dismissal for lazy, unproductive people, no? Which seems fair enough to me. I thought that Tandem was against the compensation culture that appears to be infecting the country?
The Treasury said that more than 80% of applications made to an employment tribunal did not result in a full hearing.
Almost 40% of applicants withdrew their cases, but employers still had to pay legal fees in preparing a defence, it said.
Live and learn.Posted 7 months ago # -
IME Decent companies and good quality management have nothing really to fear from unfair dismissal cases, trouble is...
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Oh brilliant......the Tory Boys
Not sure who you are referring to, I am Donkey (Democrat) through and through.
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See, all you who voted LibDem, you're to blame for this.
By the way, getting annoyed about something that isn't happening is a bit silly!
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It will happen. This is one that has been batted back and forward for ages. Last Labour government took the qualifying period from 2 years to one. I am sure the "leaking" of this report is a part of the softening up process so when they take the qualifying period back to 2 years it will seem not so bad as they have not removed the right to tribunals alltogether
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The exec summary is on the Telegraph website. It is two pages long and couched in terms of the need for businesses to be more efficient and competitive so the UK economy can grow. The author argues employment laws hinder this aim, because employers put up with lazy staff (interesting he emphasises this is more often the case in the public sector).
If one accepts this argument, then surely one must also argue that there are too many organisations with poor managers. Manager who employ people who are either lazy, or were productive but became lazy under their watch. Do we really want to put the future of the UK's growth in the hands of managers who clearly can't manage their employees effectively?
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This Tory prime minister commissioned a report into the possibility of allowing employers to sack people unfairly. People have every right to express their disgust.
Are you absoloutely sure that was what the report was commissioned to do? Was it perhaps a broader report and this was one of the recommendations? I can hear you getting copies of the Socialist Worker ready and a megaphone to object at the outcome of your own selective reading. Calm down, dear.
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The exec summary is on the Telegraph website.
HE READ THE TORYGRAPH! BURN HIM!
Mr Beecroft in particular highlights abuses of the law in the public sector, where managers have been forced to offer under-performing staff large settlements because they fear costly tribunal rulings. The report says that the unfair dismissal rules have made public bodies “reluctant to dismiss unsatisfactory employees”. “[They] therefore accept inefficiency that they would not tolerate if dismissal of unsatisfactory employees was easier.”
It goes on: “A proportion of employees, secure in the knowledge that their employer will be reluctant to dismiss them, work at a level well below their true capacity; they coast along.”
Seems fair enough in the public sector I work in.
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