Terrible name.
Wouldn't buy one for the same reason I don't shop at Kwik-Save . 
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Genesis grapil full suspension bike
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Posted 8 months ago #
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ahwiles- There's more to it than that. You're right on the brake thing but the anti-squat / pedal feedback is the difference.
FSR / Horst and ABP / Split pivot usually aim to have a different pedalling feel with similar neutral braking. Axle paths can be similar but generally aren't - there's enough difference to change the anti-squat - ie an FSR normally has less. If it doesn't and has the same anti-squat as a SP, then the axle pivot becomes a neater, stiffer solution. Moving the pivot off the chainstay to the axle is a good thing.
If i was designing from scratch I'd go axle pivot as I prefer the kinematics to an FSR - it's not an avoider, for some it's different/better. SPs are better pedalling / climbing bikes if done well IMO. Braking influence is the only minor negative of a SP in longer-travel formats.
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@jameso - did you have anything to do with the design of this frame?
If there are no patent issues with either FSR or APB type systems in europe then how come the Genesis has ended up with neither?Posted 8 months ago # -
@packer - early proto's yes but it's been continued by someone else since earlier this year (i'm not there now). I'm commenting out of interest in the bike / general systems used not out of any links to the company, just to clarify.. 2nd q - I'm not sure, not one I can answer. I can't say there are 'no' issues as I'm not an IP lawyer, but other brands in europe sell axle pivot bikes and the Trek EU patent isn't on the axle alone. Patent faff can distract from making a simple, fun bike though and there's nothing wrong with a sorted SP.
Posted 8 months ago # -
Thanks jameso. You working anywhere of interest to the STW readers these days then?
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In his pants on the sofa usually
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: )
Probably not.. of interest to STW, that is. The pants comment, well it's my place and as long as the laptop camera is off...
In hindsight I should've kept schtum on this topic (I like to be able to post as a rider not as an industry bod but there's a fine line at times). As you were..
Posted 8 months ago # -
In hindsight I should've kept schtum on this topic
not at all, tis interesting hearing about stuff from the 'inside' as opposed to magazine guff.
Now, if only you knew pricing....
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..weight and full geometry...
Posted 8 months ago # -
Anyone? pretty please.
Posted 7 months ago # -
I'd be keen to know as well. Reckon about 1k for the frame myself, less would be nice, more would have me looking else where.
You could email Genesis, but don't expect much in the way of a response right now, I emailed them about my IO last week and have yet to hear back...possibly due to show commitments, but an out of office auto reply wouldn't go amiss.
Posted 7 months ago # -
a grand would be spot on i reckon. I did email genesis, they did respond by saying the website would be updated as soon as everything was finalised, thought i'd ask on here as you never know.
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