I don’t have a great deal of faith in that which I can’t see, or drink, or laugh with or dance to..
If I try to imagine something beyond our existence, it’s much more likely to be based in science or science fiction than it is in organised religion..
but this made me smile this morning.. 🙂
In a mother’s womb were two babies. One asked the other: “Do you believe in life after delivery?” The other replies, “why, of course. There has to be something after delivery. Maybe we are here to prepare ourselves for what we will be later. “Nonsense,” says the other. “There is no life after delivery. What would that life be?” “I don’t know, but there will be more light than here. Maybe we will walk with our legs and eat from our mouths.” The other says “This is absurd! Walking is impossible. And eat with our mouths? Ridiculous. The umbilical cord supplies nutrition. Life after delivery is to be excluded. The umbilical cord is too short.” “I think there is something and maybe it’s different than it is here.” the other replies, “No one has ever come back from there. Delivery is the end of life, and in the after-delivery it is nothing but darkness and anxiety and it takes us nowhere.” “Well, I don’t know,” says the other, “but certainly we will see mother and she will take care of us.” “Mother??” You believe in mother? Where is she now? “She is all around us. It is in her that we live. Without her there would not be this world.” “I don’t see her, so it’s only logical that she doesn’t exist.” To which the other replied, “sometimes when you’re in silence you can hear her, you can perceive her.” I believe there is a reality after delivery and we are here to prepare ourselves for that reality….
I have often wondered if everything we see and know about is a dream that you have whilst you are still in the womb. Then one day you’re born, but you’d still remember everything and still be you. So delivery wards would be full of babies talking to each other about what they’d experienced. If everyone’s dream was sufficiently diverse that world would be a pretty crazy place..
As a child in the womb there is a lot of evidence that mother is there, sounds, movement? If we are to suspend disbelief that the children can talk to each other then they would hear and understand mothers voice also, leaving them in no doubt.
An illustration of what? Its religous propaganda. What I am supposed to do is surely up to me?
Cougar. 😆
If we take Yunkis point, that he only dreams in science, but this made him feel differently, it is a bit of tosh really as the babies would eb basing their belief on their observations, and how they interpreted them. So if they could talk and hear, they woudl hear mummys vocie talklign about when they come out.
Yunki, this is not philosophy, I think you will find any skeptic rationalist such as me (and cougar I think) will have a firm grasp of philosophy. Do you even know what the word means?
I have often wondered if everything we see and know about is a dream that you have whilst you are still in the womb
Really why did you do adegre ein physics then?
quote]I don’t think you’re supposed to be trying to take the story apart. It’s simply an illustration, and a nice one too. [/quote][
Oh right so much like the Bible its not real then and doe snot stand up to actual analysis 😉
From wiki – Philosophy is the study of general and fundamental problems, such as those connected with reality, existence, knowledge, values, reason, mind, and language.
skeptic rationalist such as me
you sound more like a petulant wee boy this morning… that can’t spell
Yunki from wikipedia (it had pictures so it must be true)
Philosophy is the study of general and fundamental problems, such as those connected with reality, existence, knowledge, values, reason, mind, and language.Philosophy is distinguished from other ways of addressing such problems by its critical, generally systematic approach and its reliance on rational argument.
And please try not to be rude, I was only joining the discussion. I think resorting to insult is a sign of frustration. Perhaps you would like to have a discussion?
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Yunki, this is not philosophy, I think you will find any skeptic rationalist such as me (and cougar I think) will have a firm grasp of philosophy. Do you even know what the word means?
I’m a skeptic too so count me in. The only time I’ve ever believed way probably in the womb, soon as I’d matured to 3 years I dismissed the man made nonsense
Toys – I’m not trying to beat you mate.. I have no interest in doing that..
And I’m not trying to recruit people to a religious cult.. I’m as agnostic as the next man
I’m just posting an interesting and sentimental passage that I saw this morning (yes on facebook.. 🙄 )
I meant no offence, my heartfelt apologies go out to the sneering few.. 😀
cougar and toys – you are philistines, philosophy is obviously not your cuppa
I think I was questioning why you thought philosphy is not my thing, when in fact it is what drives my skepticism. It convinced me that you do not know what it means. Which you patently don’t.
Oh camo16, its not blind faith, its lack of evidence. Not return to a thread is not a sign of a flounce, there could be myriad reasons to not return. Flouncing is announcing.
theology would seem a word perhaps less likely to incur the jeering wraith of the disciples of anal
So is theology not your cuppa then toys..?
Bang on yunki. Theology is not my cuppa. Spit. (although intelligent theologists often end up atheists, so it cannot be all bad)
On a pedantic spelling note “wrath” is probably the word you wanted, unless you were making a spiritual joke.