gusamc - Member
New one on me: David Bowie? Douche Bag? Don't bother?
gusamc, the examples I can give are the best we have at the moment and many degrees (did you see what I did there? ) more useful than your "everyone in private versus everyone in public sector" link earlier. FWIW it is also hugely easier to measure pay and conditions when they are not modified by company cars, bonuses, Christmas bonuses, staff parties/pissups, gym membership, electronic devices, staff discounts on whatever it is you sell, share options, sponsored/funded training/secondments/higher education and so on... Nice to see you taking such an interest in the details now.
What the private sector is arguably better at than the NHS is putting a price on a job without the constraints of a nationally agreed pay scale with only 9* pay bands to choose from.(actually its a tiny bit more complicated, call it 12) But such is the market that with it being so close to the implementation of the health and social care act (and the privatisation of more and more previously nhs-run services) that there are still relatively few posts that exist that are directly comparable to an NHS couterpart. Those that have been
privatised tendered out recently (locally I am thinking Childrens community services in Devon which was Devon Partnership NHS trust and is now Virgin Healthcare) are still subject to TUPE and no doubt the employer not wishing to rock the boat too soon. No good putting in a low bid at tender if half your staff leave before you get going.
I started typing but then deleted a whole load of answers to your list up there as there are still so many variables and it was turning into even more of an "I struggle with long sentences" post. [edit: I am sure this is old news but stw has autocorrected 'i struggle with long sentences' from where i typed a more well known and overused acronym. ]
Suffice to say that at the moment (and you need to consider here that there are fewer nurses nationally than posts for them to work in), nurses don't return to similar/near identical posts in the NHS from private hospitals for the take home pay, NHS-wide t&c's or the pension any more than they leave the NHS to 'go private' because they are envious of the paid-for staff parties, excellent in-service training and sponsorship for training/education or free gym memberships. (your big list omitted those. Oh and I am well envious of the first two. My next post-reg but not masters level course will be of huge help to my service, but will still cost me £1800 and all my own time an 8 months course)
If you are really bored and wish to see the balance of what we do know versus the variables from one NHS trust to the next and one private healthcare provider to the next then I will see if it is quiet enough at 4am on my night shift tonight (which by the way I will be getting paid the same per hour for as I do on a saturday daytime) to for me to conjour up some links to various employers t&cs and pension schemes and oblige you with a better answer.
If i hadn't worked in the field for 14 years I would be just wondering about these things (like i did for prisons and schools on the last page) not offering them as examples.