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  • F1 Breakaway..
  • m0nster2
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    Serious or bluff-calling, I wonder?

    Not that I’m interested in the racing one-bit these days.
    Perhaps this might shake things up and change that?

    markgraylish
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    From the BBC News website:

    The major drivers, stars, brands, sponsors, promoters and companies historically associated with the highest level of motorsport will all feature in this new series.”

    Really…?

    Can’t say I’d miss the Max and Bernie politics but I wonder how the BBC feels about this since it (presumably) paid millions to televise F1. Personally, I think Mosely has pushed them too far and now he’ll have to go…

    Lanesra
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    BBC could break their contract, if, it happened

    Mosely has been a massive **** over this and to a degree its all about him him trying to assert his authority after the NOTW expose .

    MotoGP > F1

    STATO
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    You know what this means dont you… F1 will fold under the FIA, brought back under the FOTA, and we will be back to watching F1 on ITV again… nooooooooooo!

    Jamie
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    No links? I am shocked and appalled at this amateurish thread! 😉

    CaptJon
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    No links? I am shocked and appalled at this amateurish thread!

    How dare you! Right, who wants to form a new thread?

    clubber
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    It’s great news if:

    – it’s not a (very very) big bluff
    – the new series is run in a way that ensures that the cost to the companies is neutral at worst but with the potential revenues that should certainly be possible which in turn should ensure that teams don’t pull out in times of financial difficulty.
    – The new series is run properly but then I guess that if the teams are running the show, there’s more interest in them in actually providing competitive racing rather that only caring about beating the other teams as they are at present (since more success for F1 largely means more money for Bernie atm)
    – All the teams stick together and Ferrari Red Bull x 2 aren’t legally forced to continue in F1 (since Bernie reckons they have a contract in place) in which case the key teams will be split across 2 series with the potential of a US Cart/Indy-type disaster.

    I can’t help feeling that this is probably good news though – Max’s meddling has been all about his power rather than any real interest in what the fans actually want or just completely misguided (KERS – great idea but so poorly implemented rule-wise (eg limit on power allowed) that it’s cost a fortune and actually made the cars with it slower)

    thisisnotaspoon
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    Does this mean ‘you know who’ will be back at McLaren?

    What will happen to the other (and newer) teams like Lola, litespeed etc?

    And does this bankrupt Ecelstone, seeing as he shafted the sport.

    hora
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    Lola withdrew their interest….funnily they could be throwing their hat into the breakaway championship instead?…..

    Thing is FIA/F1 have fecked off alot of tracks- $$ demands for contributions to be on the calender etc, so there will be loads of venues willing to sign up.

    PLEASE let this happen.

    thisisnotaspoon
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    What does this mean for Donnington?

    The lease holders were already being shafted form both directions by Bernie and his mate (who owns the land its build on and suprisingly wanted it back once it attracted a nice moneymaking event).

    Bimbler
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    This is great and as others have said waaaaay more interesting than the racing. Poor old Williams – truly screwed.

    Forza Ferrari.

    ScottChegg
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    So next years F1 will be Force India and Williams slugging it out.

    The BBC did well to only pay £150 million against no other bidders for such a spectacle.

    the-muffin-man
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    What does this mean for Donnington?

    Old whatshisface Gillett goes bust – Wheatcrofts take over again – and the circuit does what is does best… being an excellent club racing venue.

    clubber
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    The BBC will be able to get out of the contract if the breakaway happens.

    Quite a good summary of many of the key points here:
    http://www.planetf1.com/story/0,18954,3261_5388264,00.html

    Rickos
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    This would be good if they did break away. Lets go and visit some classic old tracks. I wonder how Williams and Force India are feeling now?

    clubber
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    Well, I reckon that Williams had no choice with Bernie having partially funded them for this year according to gossip… Sadly this may be the death knell for a formerly great team.

    Force India, well that’s a different matter… they’re not looking too clever are they.

    uplink
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    Rosberg will ditch Williams for a [functioning]FOTA team – he was rumoured to be doing that anyway

    ScottChegg
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    Rosberg will not be a great loss if he’s driving a taxi next year.

    He doesn’t have the talent of his father, just the name.

    uplink
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    I dunno, he’s not that tardy – I don’t suppose he’ll struggle too much for a seat
    IIRC he managed the fastest lap in Aus

    thisisnotaspoon
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    I can’t see the venue’s changeing much, I’ll still be all about the money, if some countries are willing to pay over the odds to host a GP, then FOTA will take their circus there.

    Not going to Donnington would be a loss, you can fly a jumbo in there as easily as getting a Taxi to Silverstone!

    ScottChegg
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    I don’t suppose he’ll struggle too much for a seat

    But there will be a selection of good young (cheap) drivers and even less seats to claim before the music stops.

    Mind you, Piquet Jr has the same problem. Great name, less talent.

    clubber
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    I can see the venues changing loads from where they’re racing this year. Bernie has contracts with all the F1 circuits and I’ll bet that there are clauses giving him veto over other series using them. Of course, through his money grabbing antics, what Bernie’s done is ensure that a large number of the classic F1 venues that have been priced out are free to host the new series…

    And FWIW, Prince Albert of Monaco has already said that if Ferrari leave F1, they’d host a round of the breakaway series (assuming that they can contractually but I suspect that being Monaco, they’ve been able to sign rather different contracts to the likes of Valencia, etc)

    uplink
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    I may depend on what contracts Bernie has with the various circuits
    The boring Tilka tracks will be no great loss but I’d hate to loose places like Spa, Interlagos & Suzuka etc.

    Is Imola signed up by Bernie? – what a great track that is!

    ScottChegg
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    Mind you, they could get young B. Senna to step up.

    I’d watch him to see if he was as good as his Uncle.

    hora
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    Clubber- how many decent tracks have F1 dropped? France x2 etc etc etc etc.

    Street races, Moscow? I’d love to see one there!

    Porsche were said to be looking at a bid to join F1 in its new revamped form.

    Is this the same Porsche who are going to be utterly fecked by VW for over-borrowing in an attempt to gain control of VW? Porsche are on the edge of survival.

    uplink
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    the best circuit in France is Paul Ricard [IMO] but I think it’s owned by a certain B Ecclestone, so maybe not!

    thisisnotaspoon
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    Surely FOTA would welcome Williams, Force India etc with open arms? I guess without the 8 teams in FOTA, an F1 grid space is worth nine tenths of fek all so any hand-cuff clauses they have with Bernie would be cheeper to pay off than to stick arround?

    Especialy as I cant see a series that small beign viable, unless they just re-badge one of the lower formula’s as F1? Which would make some interesting viewing, loads of teams, very little cash, the F1 rulebook, and ‘over enthusiastic’ youngsters behind the wheels!!

    votchy
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    hora – where do you get this about Porsche? They are THE most profitable car company around at the moment, no one else has enough cash to buy big brands like VAG, where are they on the brink of collapse?

    ScottChegg
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    the F1 rulebook…

    The big stumbling block, right there.

    Speshpaul
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    “What does this mean for Donnington?
    The lease holders were already being shafted form both directions by Bernie and his mate (who owns the land its build on and suprisingly wanted it back once it attracted a nice moneymaking event). “

    You might want to check your fact there.

    Bimbler
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    hora – where do you get this about Porsche? They are THE most profitable car company around at the moment, no one else has enough cash to buy big brands like VAG, where are they on the brink of collapse?

    Didn’t Porsche buy € billions and € billions of VAG share options which are due today?

    Infact

    Porsche blah blah

    thisisnotaspoon
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    Which bit did i get wrong?

    Some of it is probably local gossip after they decided to invest in public transport infastructure rather than road building which anoyed the locals a bit. Cant see why though, its not like we need any more roads arround here.

    Although the new railway station is handy 🙂

    hora
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    Bimbler. Porsche are under a mountain of bought debt:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/may/26/porsche-volkswagen-loan-finances

    MrSalmon
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    I think that united front at FOTA could disappear quite quickly next year once they get into sorting out this new series and they don’t have the common enemy they do now. That could make a shambles of the new series. Does serve Moseley and Ecclestone right though!

    clubber
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    that’ll all depend on how they set it up – in theory if you get the rules, organisation and profits/costs set up right then there’s no reason why it shouldn’t be great.

    Let’s face it, I think that current F1 has demonstrated lots of aspects of what not to do…

    hora
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    What peeved me off- for years there has been sneaking in to look at others cars, staff moving across teams, taking info with them. Then it all started getting nasty. First there was the Toyota personnel, then later Mclaren/Ferrari etc. Its always gone on FFS.

    MrSalmon
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    that’ll all depend on how they set it up – in theory if you get the rules, organisation and profits/costs set up right then there’s no reason why it shouldn’t be great.

    Let’s face it, I think that current F1 has demonstrated lots of aspects of what not to do…

    That’s true, but a lot of the inequalities (in terms of attitude as well as money) that exisit in F1 now won’t just disappear. Look at the way Ferrari, for instance, seem to think they deserve special consideration- I can’t see that changing just because there’s a new series.

    clubber
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    True and I guess that we’ll see how that plays out. Hopefully even Ferrari will be able to see that setting up fair rules (eg vetos for all rather than just them) is key. Commercial considertations may be different (eg Ferrari get more) but so long as everyone’s agreed then that should be workable.

    ScottChegg
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    I think Bernie will get Max to stand down. They have been mates for years and Bernie stands to lose a huge amount of cash if it all goes wrong.

    Without Max’s posturing a deal will be reached pretty quickly.

    Bernie might be a strange little an, but he is financially the sharpest in the world.

    Just keep his horrible daughter off the screens.

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