Got to feel sorry for Alonso. He really must be the unluckiest driver out there. The one course his car is good for, in conditions he excels in, and he gets walloped by a three-wheeled Ferrari

And Kvyat forgets how to drive as soon as he’s in free space 😆

…has he signed that contract for next year yet!? 😀

and the only reason he was there to get walloped is because he was so good on the start

the-muffin-man – Member
Yeeeeeeeeeeessssss!!!!!

for a potentially interesting season becoming dull as dishwater again?

for a potentially interesting season becoming dull as dishwater again?

If it was anyone but Vettel in the battle I’d agree. But I just can’t stand him.

And even if the Championship fizzles out a bit it doesn’t mean there won’t be good races.

Seeing as the start incident is under investigation afterwards what’s the possibility of Vettel getting a penalty?

WTF is going on with this perpetual safety car? Whatever happened to the vitual safety car?

How much time is Hamilton going to lose in total? This is total BS not racing.

According to SkyF1 Ferrari have said that Max was to blame for the accident!!! 😯

Ferrari tweeting it was Verstappen’s fault but they’re all up to the stewards, maybe the Help button is broken 😉

VER took #Kimi7 out and then he went to #Seb5 #SingaporeGP

— Scuderia Ferrari (@ScuderiaFerrari) September 17, 2017

I thing Singapore has more firepower in that fireworks display than South Korea 😀

And even if the Championship fizzles out a bit it doesn’t mean there won’t be good races.

bookies with give good odds against a good race happening

Dunno if the titles over yet. Lewis hasn’t had a dnf this year, how often does anyone get through a season at the sharp end without one?

Lewis hasn’t had a dnf this year,

Which means that his car is reliable and he’s driving well. Which means that he is less likely to have a DNF than others. Ferrari are now in a position where they have to take risks, so they have more chance of DNFs than Merc, who can afford to cruise and give away minor points to avoid taking risks.

Pity. I’d rather see Vettel, who comes across as quite likeable, than Hamilton, who doesn’t, win it.

Both good drivers though. No one could say this year that they were poor drivers in a car that they couldn’t lose in.

Having met Hamilton in person earlier this year I have to say the media portrays him in a very negative light. He was really approachable and took time to chat about the forthcoming season. I have to say I really didn’t think much of him up until then and it totally changed my opinion of him.

Nope. Based on interviews, never met either of them, just find Vettel more likeable.

Well that ruined a potentially great race.

aracer – Member
Well that changed the WC in about 5 seconds – and it was all Vettel’s own fault

Yup!
Watched the start on YT and Vettel trying to put a move on a better starting Red Bull, precipitated results which would not please Ferrari.
Sometimes I wonder what’s happening inside the helmet of car 5. Esp in light of Baku.
Seems to me, that being a great requires at times that the driver arrests the red mist so as see the larger picture.
in that regard LH seems to be a better racer than SV.

Adjudged racing incident and no further action to be taken. No surprise there then. I’m sure Vettel could get away with carrying a gun in future and shooting out rivals’ tyres – as long as he is driving for Ferrari that is.

I would oh so love to see Bottas overtake Vettel in the World Championship because he’s a smug git who thinks he can get away with anything.

Ferrari, after taking a bit of heat on twitter are saying that they’re first tweet was “a factual description of events, no need to speculate on this”

Arrogant cretins.

Oh yeah good point – another data point for why people dislike Vettel.

To be fair, that’s probably the correct decision. Because drivers do cut across like that on the start all the time and get away with it. Not that it wasn’t a really stupid thing to do, but there’s an argument that he’s already got his punishment.

I have to admit I did think at the time he should have been penalised for causing an accident, but the silence from the commentators (who all know much more about it than I do) on that issue was telling.

What we tweeted was a factual description of events. No need to speculate on this

— Scuderia Ferrari (@ScuderiaFerrari) September 17, 2017

I’m not sure I’ve seen a team mess up quite as badly on social media by refusing to accept their driver’s* blame like this.

* note the placement of the apostrophe – driver singular

To be fair, that’s probably the correct decision. Because drivers do cut across like that on the start all the time and get away with it. Not that it wasn’t a really stupid thing to do, but there’s an argument that he’s already got his punishment.

I have to admit I did think at the time he should have been penalised for causing an accident, but the silence from the commentators (who all know much more about it than I do) on that issue was telling.

I don’t accept that. If he had caused that crash and got away with it would he have been punished then? If so, the crime is the same, just the outcome is different.

We’ve seen plenty of “racing incidents” result in time and drive through penalties in the last few years. I don’t see this as any different.

The fact is, to punish Vettel effectively would harm the World Championship race even further and they can’t risk that can they?

There was an article by Darren Heath, the F1 photographer, a few weeks backs basically calling Ferrari a nasty team with an attitude problem. Looks like he wasn’t wrong.

Ferrari tweeting it was Verstappen’s fault but they’re all up to the stewards, maybe the Help button is broken

Max doesn’t even get to turn the steering wheel for the whole race and ends up in a ferrari sandwich 🙂

Where’s that Darren heath blog sobriety? My Google Fu is letting me down

Pity. I’d rather see Vettel, who comes across as quite likeable, than Hamilton, who doesn’t, win it.

Most rosiest tinted glasses ever.

Pity. I’d rather see Vettel, who comes across as quite likeable, than Hamilton, who doesn’t, win it.

Ditto

Sometimes I wonder what’s happening inside the helmet of car 5.

TBH, he probably didn’t realise that Raikkonen was steaming up the inside.

TBH, he probably didn’t realise that Raikkonen was steaming up the inside.

You might have thought he’d have considered the possibility of more than one car to his left though. Given he has at least a little experience with racing cars.

Sebs move was dangerous in the circumstances. Wet conditions and he knows he’s gottaway slowly. Punishment would have been harsh though because the start is generally considered a free-for-all

The Darren Heath blog from Baku race…

https://www.darrenheath.com/blog/disgracing-themselves

Darren Heath blog, I think.

Fair to say he’s not a fan:

Ferrari really are a horrible team right now. Dismissive of interest, completely devoid of any grace, charm or humility, they exude an aggressive arrogance that is bitter in its mien and wholly unpleasant to experience.

Pity. I’d rather see Vettel, who comes across as quite likeable, than Hamilton, who doesn’t, win it.

Hamilton often seems childish, but at his best, he seems like quite a nice, genuine guy. Vettel seems like an arrogant, spoiled prick. After the road rage incident, I just don’t see how people could find Vettel likable. I think both are exceptionally good drivers, Vettel deserves to be a multiple champion, but Hamilton has had some extremely good teammates and beat them fair and square. It will always be a question mark over Vettel that he’s never had to fight the same quality of teammates without the team giving him favored status. Ricciardo handed him his arse and Vettel moved on pretty quickly once he realized he was no longer the favored one. Plus, Ferrari as a team seem to be back to acting like pricks, so I’d be happy to see anybody win except Vettel.

Given he has at least a little experience with racing cars.

Fair enough, then by the same token Riakkonen shares some blame as he must have realised Vettal would likely want to force Verstappen to brake hard into the first corner, and cutting off his line of retreat would likely cause an accident as he has “a little bit of experience” also.

Agree that this reveals arrogant driving by the Ferrari team