…Irish border to be patrolled by unicorns, don’t forget the unicorns 😉

Its the end of the world as we know it.

I prefer to believe that Coveney is a man of his word. He was clear yesterday.

Let’s see what the lunch brings

border at the Irish sea and another bung for the DUP?

teamhurtmore – Member
No need to apologise. It’s just I expected an engineer to value precision and accuracy. My mistake

Understood. You, like many people, are labouring under a misapprehension. Engineering is about close enough. Good engineers are the ones who know what “close enough” means. I may on occasion value precision and accuracy – but I also know its cost.

And imagine having worked out your inside the protection racket and pointing out how tough they make it for everyone else and then suggesting being on the wrong side of it.

Yep who’d have thunkd it.

DUP have rejected that Oldnpastit DUP insist NI leaves EU under the same conditions as the rest of the UK

What are they going to do about it?

If they stop supporting the Tories, and bring down the government, they’ll get Jeremy Corbyn instead.

And anyway, is that a principle or a negotiating position?

If the dup don’t like it and they collapse the Tory government ,surely they will still be in the same position but with a strong labour government?
Can someone explain the border at sea bit please?

Still got till Wednesday really b4 the summit.

The brexies on here been very silent on Ireland, free trade fantasys all great, but it’s about the affect on the lives of the million+ people immediately affected by a hard border, barely given a thought by the true believers.
Funnily enough as this was all their idea you’d think that they’d take some responsibility.

Standard Tory/ brexie incompetence meant that the NI white paper (the widely mocked pixie dust & unicorns one) was put out BEFORE the UK gov had done it’s fact finding trip/impact assessment to NI so, sadly this last minute scramble was very predictable.

DUP & some Tories will bitterly oppose special deal for NI that aligns them more with EU than UK, so Davis & May & Tory whips going to be having more sleepless nights than Trump at this rate. ( Also sturgeon would flap wildly , as would Davidson)

But I remoane too much

Isn’t last real chance infact 15th B4 EU summit?

We might see an Xmas miracle yet !

Can someone explain the border at sea bit please?

NI in the EU via customs union or some such [ so no border in ireland]but GB not so the real border between us and the EU is in the Irish sea

Clearly the DUP wont accept this as there is no one more British than the children of Protestant settlers we placed in ireland some 3 centuries ago- they wont be any less british than we are or have any barrier between us and NI.

Cannot happen and a Tory govt remain

Also a lot of hardline Tories won’t accept a CU border round the whole of Eire, funnily enough they’re also some hardcore Brexies.

So expect any and all blame to be heaped on the EU & Irish gov, rather than those who campaigned & voted for Brexit….

What do the eu want the border to be like?
Not so long ago certain people were howling for europe to be turned into a fortress.
What if the eu don’t want a weak link in their border?

oldnpastit – Member

border at the Irish sea and another bung for shaft the DUP

Junkyard – lazarus

NI in the EU via customs union or some such [ so no border in ireland]but GB not so the real border between us and the EU is in the Irish sea

Clearly the DUP wont accept this as there is no one more British than the children of Protestant settlers we placed in ireland some 3 centuries ago– they wont be any less british than we are or have any barrier between us and NI.

Four centuries ago, but yes, there’s much truth to what you say. Putting up a hard border between NI and ROI (and the trouble that’s sure to follow) would actually legitimize the DUP. Their entire culture and mindset is based on their Britishness and the suppression of Catholic/Irish/Nationalism.

Forcing taigs to go through British army checkpoints at gunpoint, having to state their name, address, where they are going, what they are doing or risk being strip searched and their car torn apart would suit them down to the ground. What could be more British.

Never mind all the billions in EU aid they’re losing or 33% of their exports to ROI including 25% of their manufacturing 🙄

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/04/ireland-no-go-ahead-for-brexit-talks-to-move-on

Ireland playing hard ball. This is really going to piss off some Tories who see the republic as a dependency who should know their place.

Ireland playing hard ball.

Ah but is it Shinty or Hurling? 😉

..and yet, there are differences between NI and the rUK that are acceptable to the DUP. Like abortion.

What happens if EU refuse to move on and we crash out with no deal – won’t that be the worst case situation for the border?

What if the eu want a hard border and ROI don’t?
Did anyone think of this before the vote?

Why would any brexiter care about what the EU and ROI wanted!

What if the eu want a hard border and ROI don’t?
Did anyone think of this before the vote?

I don’t think anyone WANTS a hard border, WTO rules amongst others demand it.

It’s a mess. A colossal SNAFU.

At the very least, we should have had a Public Inquiry last year after the referendum. Instead, what happened was a de-facto coup, with the Hard Right owning all the narratives. The goalposts shifted radically, the Brexit we’re looking at now is wholly unrecognisable from that stated on the ballot paper in 2016.

What happens if EU refuse to move on and we crash out with no deal – won’t that be the worst case situation for the border?

Don’t think it makes any difference. WTO demands a border is in place, so UK leaves and HAS to establish a border with or without a deal. Plenty on both side in NI would seize the chance to go back 40 years without a thought.

UK either remains in CU to avoid border or erects border. or places the border outside the island of Ireland, which is pretty damn close to defacto reunification….

Wow:

BREAKING: UK will concede that there will be no “regulatory divergence” on the island of Ireland on the single market and customs union, acc to a draft text seen by @rtenews

Wow:

BREAKING: UK will concede that there will be no “regulatory divergence” on the island of Ireland on the single market and customs union, acc to a draft text seen by @rtenews

So we are taking back control of…. nothing?

somewhere in prodestant heaven……

Crossing all my fingers that this really is as reported. The repercussions are likely to mean a “close” deal really can be achieved. Government will need (and probably get) support from Labour to get this through parliament though, plenty of “all of UK out of everything” Tories will be rabid.

and as seen on Twitter, when does Scotland ask for same treatment as NI as well? Whats good for one devolved region is obviously good for another…

I still can’t figure why the daffy dups don’t want a hard border.

mrmo – Member
and as seen on Twitter, when does Scotland ask for same treatment as NI as well?

when they are propping up a minority government ( which might be quite soon 😉 )

and as seen on Twitter, when does Scotland ask for same treatment as NI as well?

when they are propping up a minority government

Seems like more cloud-cuckoo-land thinking from the Brexies. You can’t have one rule for Northern Ireland, and one for the rest of the UK, surely? Isn’t the whole point of the single market and customs union that one rule applies to all? So it’s all or nothing? You’re either in or you’re out?

I’m sure the Daily Heil, IDS, Farage and the rest of the fruitloops are getting themselves worked up into a foaming-at-the-mouth frenzy at this ‘Betrayal!’

and a little off topic/back to yesterday

Looks like that’s another one of Theresa’s famous red lines that’s bitten the dust then?

How long before Barnier has a full house of them?

End of the week?

Will this mean cheap bits from CRC?

Will this mean cheap bits from CRC?

Will wiggle still close the NI/CRC warehouse or relocate to it? going to play havoc with customs.

Just had a low stock alert from Screwfix – they’ve had a big order for red paint. Something about some new lines being painted.

I do hope we have to employ a lot more civil servants to sort it all out.

Will wiggle still close the NI/CRC warehouse or relocate to it? going to play havoc with customs.

Relocate south of the border to serve the ROW customers

Relax; I am sure the ministry for Brexit misinformation will be along soon to explain what a glorious victory this is for Great Britain.