Edukator this is the report, I have it downloaded so don’t have the link any longer

This is the first summary page – stro g legal position that eu budget payments are “guillotined” after the end 2 year A50 period

Its a legal opinion and nothing more. There’s no doubt numerous other opinions that say otherwise.

Its a legal opinion and nothing more.

But jambs has a downloaded pdf!

Ah ha, the ‘PDF file so it must be true’ strategy. Remind me to try that with the District Judge in the morning.

Jamba – you need to read that more carefully and think about it in context. Schoolboy error.

“no enforcable” in the Lords’ pdf is naive. When big blocks decide to impose their will the consequences of not complying can be ruinous. Use your imagination, what would you do if a rogue state didn’t pay its debts? Consider the fate of nations that have defied international/American/EU will over the last century. The only succesful exception I can think of is Taiwan’s defiance of China, and we don’t know how much more successful they could have been with more cooperation.

And that Jamba is the context.
Thanks Edukator – living up to your name there.

Now Jamba read what it says carefully – not what you want to see.

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-4594100/DAILY-BRIEFING-Airbus-threatens-quit-Britain.html

More good news from Airbus this time….

well it is good if you live and work in Toulouse, maybe not so if you live and work at Broughton.

edit I wish to apologise to linking to a DM related site.

Anyone seen the projections for En Marche? 😯

Now that Mummy, and our pet bitty boys, is a mandate. 😀

two things from the french vote, low turnout which isn’t the best situation,

oh and the complete failure of FN!

Quite the contrast to our election – though the turnout wasn’t as high as people were suggesting it would be. I haven’t seen analysis of turnout by age group, but does that mean the turnout of the young didn’t happen, or did some of the old stay at home (as I suspected might be the result of the dementia tax, rather than them switching their vote)?

MrMo it was only the first round to reduce the candidate list to 2 in each “constituency”. It’s likely more people will vote next weekend. Macron looks like he’ll have a decent majority – the socialists have collapsed and he has taken a lot of centre ground votes. Where my wife votes the run off is between 2 right side candidates but the national story is very much in Macron’s favour. Marine Le Penn looks like she will be elected to represent the Calais area

and having a low turnout never helps .

As for getting the Pas de Calais voting FN, a region that screwed, voting for an extremist is not surprising.

Also I believe the French focus more on the Presidential election than the parliamentary one. My wife votes in everything but some in her family vote only in the Presidential election and sometimes only in tje second round of either

http://newsthump.com/2017/06/12/bloody-french-politicians-just-rubbing-our-noses-in-it-complain-british-electorate/
😆

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40243782

Queens speech indefinitely delayed….

Sounds like the 1922 aren’t fully behind Mrs May yet.

Picked up another gem. Brexit is already helping with at pesky immigration thing. 🙄

There has been a sharp drop in the number of nurses registering to work in the UK since the EU referendum, figures suggest.
Last July, 1,304 nurses from the EU joined the Nursing and Midwifery Council register.
That compares with just 46 in April this year, a fall of 96%.

BBC

Taking back control

when you die unattended in your hospital bed at least youll now that it was an evil EU nurse thats forgotten about you

in the meantime 1 in 9 nursing posts vacant. 🙄

I was winding up my FIL at the weekend that his leave vote almost let a communist (as he would see it) into Number 10. The look on his face 😆

Entirely predictable.

Skilled workers have options other places, so when the UK become anti-foreigner they go other places.

Edit – nurses not FILs. Although now I come to consider…

Surely not?

DUP could insist on a role for Farage

slowoldman – Member
Surely not?

DUP could insist on a role for Farage

There was a recent question- where did the DUP get the money from?

Looking at the above, this could tie in.

Osbornes not gonna let it lie

I’ve been out of this thread for a few hundred pages and was wondering if anyone had come up with any quantifiable way that we’ll be better off after we leave the EU?

was wondering if anyone had come up with any quantifiable way that we’ll be better off after we leave the EU?

Jambaworld looks very rosy.. Otherwise no not really..

I think Jambaworld is something like this:

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKhMP2r4XGk[/video]

Naive is an interesting choice of words Edukator because naive is what it woukd be to make a donation of £1bn, £5bn, £10bn, £25bn, £50bn or £100bn to the European Union vanity and ego project

It is not remotely “ruinous” for the UK to trade with the EU under WTO tariffs. It is not even negative for the econony, the pessimistic projections show the UK would continue to grow (albeit at a lower rate) until such a time as we agreed other trade deals. Then you have the reality that Europe mired in outdated and unaffordable social restraints will continue to grow much much more slowly than the rest of the world, ie the places where we will be signing new trade deals

Edukator I am afraid you have as the Americans say “drunk the coolaid”

A good friend of mine (and Remainer) has had a number of private briefings from consultants and startegists and they make the point that in their opinion there is unlikely to be a deal as EU will stick to its fantasy of a Brexit Bill a donation which the UK will not pay. This will cause huge trauma particularly in Europe as people like yourself believe its a legitimate bill when it is nothing of the sort. There will be long lasting consequences as the finger pointing will ramp up.

Then during all of this we will see the resurfacing of the Greek (and then Italian …) debt crises

Mr Macrin has his €50bn austerity programme to implement and in a year max he will have to face either a larger EU budget contribution (circa €5bn pa) or pursueding the newer EU members to receibg substantially less in grants and investment.

It is not remotely “ruinous” for the UK to trade with the EU under WTO tariffs

let them eat yachts…

to the European Union vanity amd ego project

Pensions of people we employed and commitments the UK made?

It is not remotely “ruinous” for the UK to trade with the EU under WTO tariffs. It is not even negative for the econony, the pessimistic projections show the UK would continue to grow (albeit at a lower rate)

What’s the import tariff on some food items? Will that be good for people
#CantEatYachts

Then during all of this we will see the resurfacing of the Greek (and then Italian …) debt crises

Any day now it’s all going to explode. Worst fireworks ever.

@igm before 2000 most immigrant staff within the nhs came from outside the EU (I have a chart somewhere). A good friend if mine works in HR for a major nhs hospital, many of her staff come from Asia under 3 year work visas. Europeans can come and do the same if they wish

Europeans can come and do the same if they wish

But they’re not are they, that’s the problem………….

Jamba – they don’t want to because you lot told them you didn’t like them. Yes?
You’ve been unpleasant and they’re taking their business elsewhere.

A good friend if mine works in HR for a major nhs hospital, many of her staff come from Asia under 3 year work visas. Europeans can come and do the same if they wish

But may is proposing more taxes on them and more fees from employers to get them. Sounds idiotic considering there is a shortage. If you want temps a 3 year visa might work but you will be paying higher rates.

Also the state of the working life in the nhs is not good in the eyes of the rest of the world. Plenty of brit medics here in Oz who are never going back. Once you loose the attraction of being able to live and settle you need to offer something else.

#shortsighted

The Labour Party stood on a manifesto to end Freedom of movement amd hence the single market and customs union. The only significant difference wrt Tories was May’s statement that “no deal is better than a bad deal” (statement of the bleeding obvious I would say)

So of 650 Westminster MPs 584 = 318+266 (at least) stood for a “hard” Brexit

@igm I didn’t tell anyone I didn’t like them. I said they where all welcome with a work VISA just like I was welcome in the US and Singapore

The Leave Campaign made it very clear it expectwd EU citizens in the UK would have the rigjt to stay. The EU refused to discuss that till after A50 (playing politics) and have now come up with a list of crazy demands

Yes Jamba, but no one believes the Labour stance. 😉

And you may not think you told them you didn’t like them, but it appears they do. And that’s what matters.

They are actually quitting

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/mar/18/nhs-eu-nurses-quit-record-numbers

A good friend if mine works in HR for a major nhs hospital, many of her staff come from Asia under 3 year work visas

arent non eu numbers down to
our brexit devalued £ makes us less appealing for all foreign workers, skilled or not

. I said they where all welcome with a work VISA just like I was welcome in the US and Singapore

Same thing, you want to make it harder for people to work in the UK. You told us in Singapore it’s loose job and move out. Same as the US? Why would anyone with a family or in a relationship look to move to the UK for low wage nursing? Maybe in your big $ banking world people will but that isn’t the same thing.

Perhaps it’s time to accept that helping prep a yacht isnt where most people exist.