Cranberry does all that trump the murder of Jo Cox?

Well Pim Fortuyn was murdered there

The ONLY danger of every EU citizen in the UK not getting permanent leave to remain is that 10 of the 27 remaining countries of the EU that refused to agree to May’s call last year to take away any prospect of anyone from anywhere “being sent home

BS. She could unilaterally give that permission as a humanitarian act if she didn’t want to use immigrants as human shields.

Can you not see the fatal flaws in your arguments, Cranberry? Britain can only decide what Britain does. May’s whole speech today was a series of laughs from the perspective of anyone in the other 27 countries.

A series of demands and statements over which she has no control, The veiled threats in today’s speech smack of blackmail. Reprisals will do you no good she says, without stopping for an instant to consider that reprisals will do a lot of good to some EU countries.

As Danny said on Europe 1 a few days back:

Ils veulent le beurre, l’argent du beurre et le baiser de la crémière.

He substituted le baiser for le sourire which made us smile.

She’s living in a fantasy world. She even claimed that Britain was doing better now than before, I don’t know what she’s measuring GDP in but it certainly isn’t a currency that’s any stronger than the Bolivar (sp?)

Cranberry does that trunk the murder of Jo Cox?

yes, because the whole of the UK were supporting that act…

jeez, what a stupid comment…

Kimbers – I didn’t realise that we were playing Corpse Top Trumps.

But if we are then a man with a long, documented history of mental illness who had been IIRC kicked out of a right-wing group for being weird (which can’t be that easy ) doesn’t seem to me to be the right card to play.

On the other hand trying to claim that Jo Cox wasn’t murdered by a right-wing racist fueled by Brexit hate isn’t any nearer the truth.

Was farage kicked out of the Tories? I thought he just quit.
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Jo Cox was murdered at the height of the bitterest political campaign I can remember. An amoral and xenophobic right wing press, Senior politicians daily invoking fear immigrants, of Turkish criminals, posters of refugees queing at the EU border, conflating terrorism with migration, etc etc

You can try and pretend she was murdered in a vacuum by a lone nutter….

The Uni’s model to is very similar to the Premier League, why develop your own talent when you can buy experienced, cheaper talent from elsewhere

No, we develop home grown talent and employ the best we can regardless of origin. But there are lots of jobs due to our internationally recognized excellence and not enough quality workers. If someone isn’t good enough no amount of training will change that. Most graduates aren’t good enough to be PhD students. Most PhD students aren’t good enough to be postdoc. Most postdoc aren’t good enough to be group leaders and so on. It is a brutal career path with high attrition rates purely because of the intellectual and working demands.

We also can’t pay less than agreed with the unions or more than the government are prepared to pay (mainly applies to rcuk but other funders are similar). I run my lab and am on ~15k PA less than my contemporary graduates. Guess what? Researchers don’t do their very hard and demanding jobs primarily for the money.

we can argue all we want , but inflation is on the rise and prices are going up . When the c/card are maxed up and there is less money available at the end of the month , we will see if Brexit is good or bad .

Didn’t Farage claim Brexit was won without a shot being fired shortly after a Brexy shot Jo Cox?

#FellowTravellers

It’s too simplistic to have league tables for racism. What’s concerning is both the direction of travel, and the speed of it in the U.K.

Theresa May can spout all the ‘Great Global Trading Nation’ bollocks she likes. At the end of the day it’s still all just backward-looking, xenophobic, little Englander flag-waving, that shamelessly panders to racists

bitterest political campaign I can remember

Miners’ strike Scargil/Thatcher ? The Brexit campaign was perhaps the most “untruthful and misleading” political campaign I’ve seen but far from the bitterest. Only now is the bitterness coming out, and it’ll get a lot more bitter if May continues with her efforts. For the first time today I lost my objectivity and indifference, she can FRO with her talk of reprisals when she’s just outlined her wish to buy from everywhere except Europe and sell to Europe tarif free.

Well if I was a young lad I’d be seriously looking at flouncing off out of it. Oh hang on I’m apparently a Baby Boomer so I’m supposed to be happy with this shit storm.

Calm down folks at least no one wants these folk running more of the economy.

Lessons learned

these folk

Who?

Welcome to this cesspit of a multicultural society where our intellect and compassion shine through in equal amounts. What horrible people there are out there who have now been given the OK to spout their crap.

Miners’ strike Scargil/Thatcher ? The Brexit campaign was perhaps the most “untruthful and misleading” political campaign I’ve seen but far from the bitterest.

i was just a wee nipper then

Well May has proved herself to be both stupid and incompetent. Does she really think the UK will win win a trade war with the EU? the woman is deluded.

the idiocy increases day by day. I really long for scottish independence now so I no longer have to share a country with these far right racists and deluded bigots.

codybrennan, that was basically my thinking about the whole thing.

BS. She could unilaterally give that permission as a humanitarian act if she didn’t want to use immigrants as human shields.

She has made it very obvious, numerous times, what she wants to do, but she also has a duty to care for UK citizens abroad. Do you really think that she should potentially hang them out to dry by making a unilateral move ?

Miners’ strike Scargil/Thatcher ?

I was a nipper as well but always remember the riot police smashing all the windows out on a coach on the telly.

Not nice.

She has made it very obvious, numerous times, what she wants to do, but she also has a duty to care for UK citizens abroad. Do you really think that she should potentially hang them out to dry by making a unilateral move ?

Why not? If the EU don’t return the favour then it can easily be reversed. In the meantime the uk earns some badly needed respect from the rest of the EU. The only reason for not doing it is the daily mail and ukip inspired hysteria of hard-line brexopaths.

A series of demands and statements over which she has no control,

It has obviously been poorly reported in the French press, everything she has committed to is in her control. Yes she would like to secure an ongoing partnership with our European friends because that is in all our interests, the grown ups seem to recognise this, and only Verhofstadt, who is really the pro Euro Farage, is being silly. If no agreement, c’est la vie, and we will look after our own interests. Today, she has prepared the country for the big break in a reasoned low key way. She has also shown that concerns that she may not be up to the job are ill founded – I think the comparisons with Gordon Brown will stop now.

Anyway how does being a tax haven work out for the normal man in the street on P.A.Y.E ?

Gordon Brown, though poor, was better at being PM than May – on present showing at least. She really has been poor.

And on demands and statements, saying there will be a transitional period is not in her gift. It is not even in her gift to have a negotiation on one. That is in the EU’s gift. So there’s one to start you off.

She is making a unilateral move FFS! What’s Brexit if it’s not a unilateral move? As for being hung out to dry, she’s the one hanging people out. It’s not the 27’s governments who are tearing up working agreements, it’s Britain’s government.

Edit: I was watching the speech from Davos live, Mefty, and there was no problem with comprehension or translation believe me.

Oh, that’s a nice easy one and it comes with a free windmill.

A country where the Germans I know park their cars in a secure compound over New Years Eve so that they don’t accidentally catch fire when the neighbours set fires in the street.

Where a blond haired friend of mine was called a f**king nazi and told to go back to his own country – he is Swedish and a really lovely bloke.

Where people in recent times complained that biscuits were going to have to be renamed from “****’s kisses” – if they are offended they should go back home!

Where Sinter Klaas’s slave is blacked up and 90% of the country don’t have a problem with it.

etc, etc.

Let’s put it this way, I have never once been asked by a Brit whether my Asian wife was a mail order bride – I have by a Spaniard. I have never heard of British Muslims fleeing Britain to France because…racism. I have met French Algerians who have fled to Britain though. As of yet, the British don’t have a far right party in power – Hungary, Poland, Greece, France and Spain are all pretty close though.

Leopards don’t change their spots, continental Europeans have consistently voted or helped into power, racist, populist or violent nutjobs – sometimes all three! Let’s see, Napoleon, Stalin, Hitler, Musollini, Franco, Tito, Carmona, Salazar….list goes on.

Well I’m now thoroughly depressed…

I have the possible option to join one of my best friends in Abu Dhabi. I’m very tempted… if I lose my job in the UK because of a downturn then that’ll be my main hunting ground for a new job.

I’m still holding out that May’s real game is to let us suffer an economic downturn for a few years and allow us to end up with a deal which is so lousy and generally leaves us all worse off (especially pensioners and lower paid who voted out) that public opinion turns and demands another vote on the actual deal and leave loses badly… this is still possible – in fact pushing for a hard exit makes it more likely not less and it’s essential for this plan to work for us all to believe that she genuinely wants us to leave… which we currently do.

In the meantime, the people who’ll keep things moving in the UK will be the hard-working, industrious and entrepreneurial ie. the remain constituency. Idiots like my parents will carry on living off their taxpayer dollar and not have to lift a finger to contribute to sorting out the mess…

continental Europeans have consistently voted or helped into power, racist, populist or violent nutjobs

and now we’ve decided it might be a good idea too?

Need to get Mrs Nipper working on the German passport application. The only other passport I have access to is an Australian one which is the other last place on the planet I want to go!

But there is one further objective we are setting. For as I have said before – it is in no one’s interests for there to be a cliff-edge for business or a threat to stability, as we change from our existing relationship to a new partnership with the EU.

That is the text, it is an objective not a demand – language is important – European leaders want to know where we are coming from and she has set her stall out. According to EU reporters, EU side of neogiations say it fits in with how they saw talks being structured.

But in the mad world of the European Parliament, the Socialist Group want to sack Verhofstadt as their negotiator.

Gordon Brown, though poor, was better at being PM than May – on present showing at least. She really has been poor.

Wow!!

Blimey the word has gone into hyperbole overdrive today

May said nothing new of substance and yet the lattes are flying out

Go long Whitbread (owners of Costa Coffee)

Thanks mefty for the small dose of rationality

She’s living in a fantasy world

Well by a bit of a fluke she did end up with a dream job, that I doubt she ever expected to get.

Not sure how long she’s got to hold it to get the pension though but I do think all her Christmasses arrived together and she’s now ust got to keep a few plates spinning before a retirement and the after dinner speech circuit.

She is making a unilateral move FFS!

Our European partners have been asking us to set out what we want to do ever since the referendum, she has set it out and now you are complaining that she
has done what has been asked.

I was watching the speech from Davos live

You are in Davos, so you are one of the illuminati – no wonder you are upset.

Not sure who was funnier today – Verhofstadt or Fallon?

it’s Britain’s government.

No it’s the British people. The governments position was to remain. The public disagreed. They are responsible but I accept that individual responsibility is an unpopular concept these days

I think you post nicely sums up many Brits’ attitudes to their foreign neighbours, Tom_W1987.

Pure ignorant xenophobia.

You left Tony Blair off your list BTW.

Edit: live on TV, Mefty. Being rich and powerful are the only requirements for a Davos invite (journos apart)
I’m not complaining about the fact she has set out what she wants. I’m complaining that’s it’s unrealistic, and delivered in a frankly insulting manner.

Not sure who was funnier today – Verhofstadt or Fallon?

I think you must mean Farron, the Minister for Today is never off message.

In the meantime, the people who’ll keep things moving in the UK will be the hard-working, industrious and entrepreneurial ie. the remain constituency.[/I]

Yes, but we’re going to make damn sure that the Govt gets as little of our money as possible ‘cos we’re going to need every penny of it to get us through the 5h1tstorm that is coming.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38652708

Indeed mofty typinq om an iQphone

Excuse the typos!