http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-leave-campaign-lies-cps-investigation-misleading-voters-a7403036.html

Agreed it might come to nothing, just wondering, everyone is aware that the £350M claim was a tad optimistic.

So it might be seen to have had an impact on how some people chose to vote.

And if the claim is found to have been fake where does this leave the referendum???

Michael Ryan … strange bloke horrible airline, artcile in the Independent

Ryanair boss Michael O’Leary said coninuing uncertainty over Brexit negotiations would cause the airline’s fares to fall by up to 15 per cent this winter.

The cost of the budget airline’s average seat has already fallen 10 per cent to £44.61 in the past year.

But the chief executive warned there will be a reduction in the number of UK flights once the UK actually leaves the EU, leading to price rises.

Thanks for reminding me, Scotroutes. I think we need a new name for NI, Wales and England without Scotland; I repeatedly forget the Scots have hung onto some of the post-WWII social advances. How about “Divided Wengni”

Seems like Sciences Po is in pretty good company. He’s specializing in German/French politics, I’d argue Sciences Po is the best place in the world for that given he’ll be at French and German universities.

Yes agreed. Being a cynic Harvard, Oxford, Cambridge, LSE more people outside the specialisation will have heard of … depends what he wants to do with it really longer term and flexibility for taking a different direction. Sciemce Po plus a postgrad at one of those for the ultimate combo

plus ça change

http://digital.library.lse.ac.uk/collections/posters/politicalandtariffreform

good piece here

little britain, here we come…

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/11/07/india-shows-the-ultimate-failure-of-the-brexit-project

@aracer a real poll, ie the last regional elections first round vote puts FN as having yhe highest popular vote. IMO you will see exactly the same in April, FN will have the largest vote in the first round and UMP second, Socialists eliminated.

These theoretical Jupe bs LePenn polls now are worthless IMO. @Edukator speaking to various people in France actively involved in politics. Jupe is more popular with PS voters than Sarkozy but fear is many UMP voters don’t like him and if FN have a big enough base these UMP voters could push FN to the win.

Anyway my point was about those leaving the UK or chosing not to come here on fhe basis of Brexit / racism etc when you have EU countries like France and Austria with the very real possibility of Nationalist Governments / Presidents.

good piece here
little britain, here we come…
http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/11/07/india-shows-the-ultimate-failure-of-the-brexit-project

Interesting article that. I’m guessing he’s one of those experts we were warned about? 😯

Yes I think he might be, he certainly didn’t get the briefing notes did he

Time for some Tucker 😉

Yes the loss of the European Medicines Agency hasnt really been tlkedabout- didnt realise India were so big on investment in pharma though

friends at GSK are quite worried, but hats reflected all accross UK life sciences at the moment
EMA move will be a big blow to all pharma companies here,
the next round of funding applications beyond horizon 2020 are being called for now, sadly Britain wont be included in the worlds biggest research network anymore

Anyway my point was about those leaving the UK or chosing not to come here on fhe basis of Brexit / racism etc when you have EU countries like France and Austria with the very real possibility of Nationalist Governments / Presidents.

But I thought it was Ireland or the Netherlands they were choosing to go to, not France or Austria. Now there are racists both those places I am sure, but I’m pretty certain Dublin is better than the UK at present, Amsterdam I dunno, not an expert, I hear things but then again…

@kimbers how on earth can the writer talk about the failire of the Brexit project when it’s hardly begun

@igm fair point, Holland is an interesting one with the emergence of Wilders, at least they had the sense to legislate that all future treaties where subject to a Referendum (a major reason as to why EU is now so reluctant to consider any treaty changes) after the uproar over Lisbon. Dublin yes a good place to be a student, not so sure about a place to work.

It’s quite telling that a movie about the 2008 crash nailed the current climate perfectly

they will be blaming immigrants and poor people

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcJmzEawWi0[/video]

@kimbers how on earth can the writer talk about the failire of the Brexit project when it’s hardly begun

Simple, the demands that are being placed on us during the India visit and the prospects are worse than Pre Brexit. Even with such a small start the ripples are being felt and it’s meaning India have a much stronger negotiating position, when they start, which is a long long long way away. So basically written off any big JV work of the UK as a gateway hence needing to give away freebies like more visas to high net worth individuals. (you know controlling that immigrations stuff)

Some people seem happy to talk about the success of the brexit project before it’s started…

The biggest group of electors in France was recently cited by Juppé as being the centre. The problem in pretty much all the democratic world is that centre parties and candidates rarely if ever succeed. The candidate elections within the parties eliminate the moderates. Corbyn is a classic example, a party leader who represents the extreme views of committed party members rather than the left wing electorate in general.

Trump, Clinton, May, Corbyn, Sarko are not people many electors would choose as their leaders, people find themselves voting for them against their better judgement to stop an alternative they see as worse. The only candidates I have ever voted for out of conviction haven’t had a hope in hell of winning, Bayrou, Danny… .

I’ve had more socialists encouraging me to vote in the UMP elections than UMP members. The problem is that there isn’t one UMP candidate with a programme I’d give my name to – and I consider my views centre right, caring capitalism. I therefore believe in a progressive tax system, and equality in health and education. Being poor shouldn’t be viewed as a crime and poverty shouldn’t be a trap.

jambalaya – Member

@kimbers how on earth can the writer talk about the failire of the Brexit project when it’s hardly begun

Says the man forever telling us the ‘data’ is good for a post Brexit UK economy! If it’s too early to talk about the failure, it’s also too early to talk about signs of success, as you have continually since June!

The price of freedom

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37902922

Project reality (even if you don’t like it)

Oh come on I’m sure Enola can visit the next 2 biggest commonwealth countries and secure some fantastic victories.
Pakistan and Nigeria our doors are open to you.
I’d like to remind Outters that the **** Of The Year competition ends today and normal service can resume tomorrow .

Have we done the Brexit Toblerone yet:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37904703

Surely even the most hardened Brexitter must be aghast at this monstrosity! 😆

Ah I see that issue is important enough to warrant its own thread 😆

Good to see where our priorities lie 🙂

As regards the trial… nothing will come of it…

• The Leave campaign used the “cost” of the EU as a main plank of the campaign, and yes, lied about the figures.

• The Remain campaign used predictions of the “cost” of leaving the EU as a main plank in their campaign, and the (inevitable) lack of accuracy of those predictions is seen as “deceit” by most people.

These are seen as equivalent “lies” by voters, and no legal decision will change that. Especially as we can never compare the difference between in/out levels of prosperity and costs over the next 10 years… unless there is a parallel universe somewhere in which 2016 happened very differently…

unless there is a parallel universe somewhere in which 2016 happened very differently…

not sure about that, but there IS a parallel universe of what Britain was like before we joined the EU, or at least there must be based on some of the comments I’ve seen 🙂

not sure about that, but there IS a parallel universe of what Britain was like before we joined the EU, or at least there must be based on some of the comments I’ve seen

It was idyllic. Kids were polite or else the village bobby would clip them round the ear, shopkeepers in brown coats sold English spuds and there was Butlins for your summer hols.

not sure about that, but there IS a parallel universe of what Britain was like before we joined the EU, or at least there must be based on some of the comments I’ve seen

It was idyllic. Kids were polite or else the village bobby would clip them round the ear, shopkeepers in brown coats sold English spuds and there was Butlins for your summer hols.

And you didn’t have to watch your P’s and Q’s because all the darkies knew their place

..and we had……The Austin Allegro (but could have got my dates wrong there)

And I had hair.

Ahh, the 1970s, IMF bailouts, overweening trade unions, the sick man of Europe, the rise of the National Front – happy days.

Yeah but I was a student on a full grant so didn’t care.

Ahh, the 1970s, IMF bailouts, overweening trade unions, the sick man of Europe, the rise of the National Front – happy days.

Indeed a series of diasterous left wing Governments. Heath took us into the EEC as it was a free trade zone which put the reigns on the left. Ironic now that centre keft (not Corbyn et all) want to keep us in the put the reigns on the right.

Put the reigns in the left… national front…

Want to re-read that?

Says the man forever telling us the ‘data’ is good for a post Brexit UK economy! If it’s too early to talk about the failure, it’s also too early to talk about signs of success, as you have continually since June!

DarkSide that is indeed a far point but eventaully I felt the need to respond. What is clear is that the result of the Referendum is far more positive than project fear from Cameron/Osbourne/IMF/OECD/Obama etc would have had us believe. The Remainers are doing all they can to paint a picture of doom and gloom and to derail the A50 process.

I say again the problem with Remain is even they think the EU is cr@p – as Miller said on Marr she is a “Remain and Reform” person, except we have all seen that the EU’s idea of “reform” is more and more EU integration. Thats why Remain lost. Even it’s supporters don’t really support it.

Another 10 years of austerity, thanks to Brexit, will have the prisons on a par with the 1870s

Binners thats brilliant, even a model with a French name. We had an Allegro with the squarish steering wheel

@Edukator noted. Socialists want Jupe as he is more elft than Sarko and they’d prefer to vote for him in the run off versus Le Penn. That was partly my point as many in UMP may vote Le Penn in that run off scenario. Yourself and cchris will have a far greater understanding than I as you’ll uderstand much more of what is said. I am looking more from the outside but as we have seen in the South many on the hard left now vote FN. Much like Brexit.

Another 10 years of austerity, thanks to Brexi

Well the odd thing is Hammind has eased “austerity” as a result of the Referendum

Well the odd thing is Hammind has eased “austerity” as a result of the economic fallout from the Referendum

Fixed that for you. You seem to have forgotten some words/facts.

random double post

Looks like Scotland wants it’s say on Brexit with a vote in Scottish parliament.
What could go wrong?!?

This is so much fun!