is this really OK?

No, it demonstrates the failure of EU competition policy

or are you suggesting they are going to turn the lights off?

jambalaya » animal welfare standards are widely ignored in Europe and the rules hugely abused.

To be fair that was exactly the argument from the local chicken farmer that I drink with.

He keeps ~15,000 free-range hens. They need a lot of looking after to do it all by the book which obviously costs money. He feels that he gets under-cut by imported eggs from countries in the EU that take a much less rigorous approach to enforcing the welfare rules.

No, it demonstrates the failure of EU competition policy

I could be wrong but I think the UK government put the privatisation policies int place, not the EU.

the UK nuclear industry as well as a big chunk of water, transport and telecomms infastructure is also owned by overseas investors I think.

Was just wondering how “taking Britain back” is going to work in regards to this vital backbone of the country which has been sold off.

the UK nuclear industry as well as a big chunk of water, transport and telecomms infastructure is also owned by overseas investors I think.

the Canadian Teachers pension Fund is a worry

Boris at the French Embassy – Bastille Day Celebration

Seemed to me it was mostly applause including at the every closer union joke (In French) at the end. Journalists not sure whether it was Brits or French making the booing.

The thread that keeps on giving…
On farmers I think 100% of those I asked were fully remain.
I’m glad now the UK is free from oppression leave will now fix the weather to make sure the UK can grow oranges and olives where we want…

I’m coming to the conclusion that Theresa May is an evil genius.

Look at the whole cabinet. Now look at the jobs the leavers got.

Leadsom gets to tell farmers where their subsidies went.
Johnson, Fox and Davis get to try and put an acceptable UK position together in terms of trade (both inside and outside the EU), freedom of movement etc – and if the don’t then they failed to deliver Brexit, not May’s fault, she’s not going to do that to the country. And the leavers have to suck it up because they couldn’t deliver. If they do May gets to say she picked the right team.
And Patel gets international development – I suspect another sticky area, not so much for what those foreigners we need to develop say and do, but for what people round (say) Sunderland say about development starting at home (as they realise there isn’t £350m a month never mind a week)
Of the leavers only Evans gets something achievable with Leader of the Lords – unless of course the lords don’t fancy Brexit in which case…

Like I said – evil genius

“FWIW I work at an Institute dedicated to agricultural improvement. The facts surrounding food security in the UK and wider world are truly frightening.”

No quarrel with that statement.

I’d have thought one of the best arguments for remaining in the EU (an EU that might include Ukraine one day) is access to food when the phosphates crisis kicks in.

@kelvin farmers and fisherman where pro-Leave quite substantially so I understand. Do you really think they don’t fully understand the EU and its subsidies and trade barriers and thought about all of that before voting.

My friend is the MD of a rather large agricultural feed company. I think I can say with some authority that the farmers he’s spoken to who voted out are now coming to the realisation that they haven’t so much been turkeys voting for Christmas, as they have been turkeys voting to introduce Thanksgiving too.

So no, lots didn’t fully understand. It’s safe to say most had little comprehension.

So no, lots didn’t fully understand. It’s safe to say most had little comprehension

No need to restrict this to farmers!

Lots of people believed the lies they were told.

Great authority!!

Bank of England are suggesting yesterday that Brexit will have a significant impact on family finances. But I don’t expect any comment on that from Jamby.Anyway, I have to keep reminding myself it is about taking back control,and chastise myself for having such a selfish mindset.

jambalaya – Member

I do love the Remainers attempts to twist stuff

Says the man who was still mentioning £350m last week.

Great authority!!

His company services a significant portion of the UK’s livestock industry. He and his staff talk to many clients each day, most of whom are farmers. What’s your source of more reliable information?

Oliver Letwin said UK has no trade negotiators at all in a radio 4 interview this morning.

I think we have 6 trade negotiators employed in the civil service the plan is to hire some in trouble is most of the UK based ones are already busy with corporate clients protecting their interests in the chaos. The predicted cost for the negotiations was being put at £240 million a week !

I think we have 6 trade negotiators employed in the civil service the plan is to hire some in trouble is most of the UK based ones are already busy with corporate clients protecting their interests in the chaos. The predicted cost for the negotiations was being put at £240 million a week !

That’s why WTO + CCT strikes me as the only sane starting point.

If we left, which we won’t IMHO.

But that only leaves £110 million a week from the mythical 350 !!!!

Could someone make a cost of Brexit page with a counter showing how much this is costing us in real time

Letwin said we had some but they all worl for the EU 😉
We need not worry look at the titan of probity we have in politics to steer us to a Jambywonderland post brexit where farmers well versed on International matters grow whatever they please .Please spare a though for poor jamby, the only person in the from the uk who will be worse off.

Well they’ll all be looking for new jobs then, so that works out well.

As if trade negotiators are some mystical cabal of uniquely talented individuals. You just need commercial lawyers and regulatory experts, with which we are happily blessed. The government (we) will pay through the nose for these people though.

Pretty sure that expertise in the area of trade negotiations would be a reasonably useful skill set for a trade negotiator. I suspect its who everyone we will be negotiating will use, what we used wiht the EU and what we will need for the rest of the world

Why is it that folk so dislike expertise and think anyone could just give it a go?

Do keep up JY – we’ve had enough of it

JY not my point. There is nothing inherently unique about a trade deal that a commercial lawyer or negotiator couldn’t handle. It’s not like being a weaver, or a particle physicist.

My point is that ‘lack of trade negotiators’ isn’t the issue. Typically stupid observation by that idiot Letwin though.

This amused me:
The Great EU Debate: Boris Johnson vs Boris Johnson

As if trade negotiators are some mystical cabal of uniquely talented individuals. You just need commercial lawyers and regulatory experts, with which we are happily blessed

Lawyers you say? Well those buggers can spin things out for years.

we are happily blessed with commercial and regulatory lawyers they are a) fxxk expensive b) based in the city doing eu centric work that will move in to the eu with the banks when we lose the banking passport c) tied up at the moment advising commercial clients.

So we will be at a significant disadvantage when what we can scrape together goes up against the EUs team that do this all the time are well versed in the EU regulations they will be seeking to tie us to and have the advantage of knowing they negotiate from a position of strength representing the worlds third largest economic block dealing with a lone state with minimal natural resources that is pressed for time on a two year guillotine.

JY not my point.

Yes it is as you went to say again that anyone could do it

There is nothing inherently unique about a trade deal that a commercial lawyer or negotiator couldn’t handle.

I could do lots of things as well all of them less well than an actual expert.. like you and debates; you can join in but you dont do it well 😉

My point is that ‘lack of trade negotiators’ isn’t the issue. Typically stupid observation by that idiot Letwin though

Your right the fact we dont have any expertise in the area where we are most in need and going to be focusing our external relations with the world is no way a hindrance to the achievement of that goal.

Facepalm etc

So when is the last day you can relocate to an EU Country – is it before or after Art 50 is triggered i.e. the expiry of the 2 years – we are EU citizens until then?

JY you are a right laugh…but your comprehension is awful. You also look for reasons to argue, on this matter (Brexit) suspect we are in violent agreement.

For clarity, my only point is that ‘trade negotiator’ is not a vocation or a profession, it is a subset of a certain type of legal/contractual professional service. Crankboys point is a valid one though, and perhaps the only silver lining for me personally out of this whole disaster.

Unfortunately not the case here in the UK.

https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/eu-in-or-out-tff-vote-added.106344/page-22#post-2401052

but your comprehension is awful

You also look for reasons to argue

I think you mean disagree

my only point is that ‘trade negotiator’ is not a vocation or a profession

Its is and its a specialism in the same way as surgeon is a specialism of medicine. And heart surgeon of surgeons and heart transplant surgeon of heart surgeon etc.
Yes lots of others coudl give it a go but they are not experts

http://study.com/articles/How_to_Become_an_International_Trade_Specialist_Career_Roadmap.html

Locating the necessary expertise will be critical to the UK’s success, after the country’s unexpected decision to leave the European Union.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/07/03/government-faces-worldwide-hunt-for-trade-negotiators-experts-wa/

we have weak enough hand as is without cobbling together a team of folk willing to give it a go because we dont need experts

You also look for reasons to argue

I think you mean disagree

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Negotiation is a skill and a profession. There are many many people used to and experienced in negotiating trade contracts. All this is done in anything from weeks to months (edit: although simpler arrangements). We have various frameworks from the current EU arrangements all the way to the WTO framework.

As for regret I don’t know a single person who regrets voting Leave.

Turkeys’s for Christmas is the analogy I used for Remainers, focused only on the short term (their next meal) and ignoring the future realities.

These experts we now need are going to get even more expensive in April, once Osbournes PAYE-only for contractors kicks in, and the big firms will then be financially raping the Govt.

I did no tmean that one as sarcasm…..i wished i had though 😳

For the panel’s consideration: “Why Did People Vote Leave?” on The Briefing Room (Radio 4).

Give it 5 minutes and try not to make yourself too hoarse!

Oh dear 🙁

Negotiation is a skill and a profession. There are many many people used to and experienced in negotiating trade contracts.

Hang on a minute lads, I’ve got a great idea…

“jambalaya”

Who is this blinkered believer, and why do any of us waste our efforts trying to help him look into how things might actually work?

The effects of Brexit strike, jobs lost, holidays ruined

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36810558

The first “formal” backtracking?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/15/theresa-may-flies-to-edinburgh-to-tell-scots-that-she-believes-w/