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  • EU Referendum – are you in or out?
  • fifo
    Free Member

    We need a new word for it… those that think that “their country” is damaged by people born in other counties working in it, or helping form shared standards and laws, really don’t like the “R” word… understandably.

    We have one: xenophobe

    dudeofdoom
    Full Member

    Tories still not ready to negotiate with EU as theyve only had 2 years of bitter infighting & thats just not enough

    Yep this is truly impressive. Fiddling whilst Rome burns an all that.

    Pigface
    Free Member

    Curse those EU lawmakers that have introduced protection for people buying flights and hotels separately from the same provider.  How very dare they.

    We we can’t even get an upskirting law passed.

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    dudeofdoom
    Full Member

    What did the eu ever do for us 🙂

    Don’t forget how you used to get rippped off on the mobi when abroad that was a great moneymaker.

    cornholio98
    Free Member

    Tories still not ready to negotiate with EU as theyve only had 2 years of bitter infighting & thats just not enough

    Well if they are aligned similarly to the will of the people roughly 50% want to stay in the EU and the same amount want something unspecified but different.

    this is going to be unspecified and different so partly fulfilling the mandate…

    El-bent
    Free Member

    See Mr Mogg is threatening a “coup” if the brexidiots don’t get the brexit they want. I would like one of them to become PM to seal their downfall, Even though it would probably be Moggs nanny instead of him running the show if he attempted it.

    There are only 60 or so brexidiot mps, the rest are pretty much remainers, so how are they going to attempt this “coup?”  It could back fire on them as they can only play the party unity card so many times.

    A sign of desperation perhaps?

    zippykona
    Full Member

    Corbyn said he would try to get a general election if there was a bad deal.

    What is his definition of a bad deal?

    Does anyone know?

    kimbers
    Full Member

    Marr summed it up today

    65 weeks of talks gone, 6 to go

    The Tories havent yet decided amongst themselves what they want from Brexit, so they havent been able to start negotiating with the EU yet!

    molgrips
    Free Member

    What is his definition of a bad deal?

    Does anyone know?

    Does it matter?  I think he means he’s going to go for it anyway!

    cornholio98
    Free Member

    What is his definition of a bad deal?

    Depends who who you talk to

    for mogg if we don’t return to the 1850s it’s a bad deal

    for Corbyn if we don’t return to the 1970s it’s a bad deal

    for Ninfan if he has not personally chosen who the immigrants allowed in are it is a bad deal 😛

    for me if we do not retain free movement of people and goods the way we have now  its a bad deal (but not so much for me as I have an EU passport too)

    What would demanding a GE do? In 6 weeks the deal is made if there is a GE early next year there may be time to get a new crack squad in place ready to just sign off on whatever has gone before. Now is too late he needed to act 2 years ago

    tjagain
    Full Member

    lm  pretty sure the EU would extend negotiations for a new government

    cornholio98
    Free Member

    Maybe they would

    trouble is that the “deal” would only be voted on in Westminster and the 27 states after it has been nominally agreed. If the EU 27 all say this is good with us but we turn round and say no this is no good and by the way we are going to fight amongst ourselves for another year how much patience do theyHave?

    would it not be that we would move to the fall back position which I also guess needs to be agreed and voted upon?

    molgrips
    Free Member

    Corbs doesn’t want the 1970s, he wants the late 1940s.

    fifo
    Free Member

    This just needs turning on its head. Try to negotiate a “better” deal, or if negotiations fail we simply revert to the status quo i.e. remain members.

    That way the 52% get their shot, and if they blow it at least they had the opportunity to try, and the rest of us can get on with our lives.

    deadlydarcy
    Free Member

    As ever, @SimeOnStylites pressés the looming situation quite well. One of the salient points being that if the government’s Brexit position (à la Lanc House) is failing, then so is Labour’s.

    good thread:

    https://twitter.com/sime0nstylites/status/1013646549660954624?s=21

    DrJ
    Full Member

    What did the eu ever do for us

    Don’t forget how you used to get rippped off on the mobi when abroad that was a great moneymaker.

    We have taken back control. And handed it to the phone companies.

    binners
    Full Member

    Another cabinet Chequers away day this week then?

    What was The definition of insanity again? Oh yeah…. doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results?

    Two groups of people with entrenched, totally opposing views, who loath one another, presided over by a ‘leader’ without a shred of authority?

    Im sure it’ll all be sorted in no time then

    kimbers
    Full Member

    So while ninfan gets all bothered about immigrants stealing all our NHS jobs or something…

    We eagerly await May’s 3rd way on customs & trade, it’s got to be a bit less ‘**** business’ than Borris would like, a bit more like the golden days of empire for Mogg, functional enough for the saner MPs, palatable to the EU & at least 10 pages thick so Gove has to rip each page individuallly rather than in one mighty shred.

    Tallpaul
    Full Member

    Two groups of people with entrenched, totally opposing views, who loath one another, presided over by a ‘leader’ without a shred of authority?

    Do they actually loathe each other?

    I believe that these off-site meetings between two groups with disparate interests are much like those I attend in private sector business.

    It may be a day of hot air, tantrums and little real progress. But, in the evening everyone meets in the bar and chats, jokes and enjoys some nice food and wine. After all, it’s just work to them and whatever Brexit comes to pass, their work will continue. Of course, as you recognise, this is the real problem. None of the people making the decisions really care about the outcome – they’re too well insulated in either scenario!

    kerley
    Free Member

    Do they actually loathe each other?

    Only when talking about Brexit.  They can all get together afterwards and laugh at the poor, needy and unprivileged

    kimbers
    Full Member

    Moggys little strop has had some backlash from his fellow MPs

    He shouldnt be so worried, May has always been anti-immigrant, so whe will reject any compromise from the EU that requires adherence to 4 freedoms.

    This means that itll be a canda type deal requiring a loooooooong transition to keep  manufacturing from leaving

    scotroutes
    Full Member

    C and A? Didn’t they go bankrupt?

    tjagain
    Full Member

    A draft of Theresa May’s Brexit plan has already been dismissed as unrealistic by senior EU officials, who say the UK has no chance of changing the European Union’s founding principles.

    from the Grauniad.  It was so obvious that this ws the case.  the 4 freedoms are indivisible

    cornholio98
    Free Member

    Since before A50 was announced th EU made it clear that it was all 4 or none at all.

    still like a British tourist on holiday the approach seems to be that if we just talk more loudly and clearly they will magically understand and we will get what we want.

    binners
    Full Member

    Has anyone else passed the point where this is now starting to get really really worrying on a personal level?

    Up to now I’ve always thought that this was absolute insanity, but its seemed suitably vague and hypothetical, and there was always at least some sense of blind optimism that maybe calmer voices might prevail above the lunatics.

    But its suddenly felt like this shit is getting very real.  Now I think we’re genuinely getting to what Fergie described as squeaky-bum time. And we have a bunch of squabbling incompetents at the helm, who clearly haven’t got a ****ing clue what they even want, never mind how to deliver it. There is not a cat-in-hells chance I can see this ending any other way than absolutely catastrophically. And that catastrophe is looming large now.

    With every day that passes it looks more and more  like the headbangers are going to get their dream – the hardest of hard Brexits

    richmtb
    Full Member

    And we have a bunch of squabbling incompetents at the helm, who clearly haven’t got a ****ing clue what they even want, never mind how to deliver it. There is not a cat-in-hells chance I can see this ending any other way than absolutely catastrophically. And that catastrophe is looming large now.

    With every day that passes it looks more and more  like the headbangers are going to get their dream – the hardest of hard Brexits

    Well we now live in a world where Danny Dyer’s succinct political discourse is about the most sensible thing said about Brexit in the last 12 months, given that this is now the world we are living in its difficult to be surprised by any of it.

    And just as the bus heads for the cliff, BoJo and Mogg are fighting over which one of them gets to grab the wheel and press the accelerator harder.

    cornholio98
    Free Member

    If it is hard Brexit either through will or incompetence then it will be bad for a lot of people.

    overall the country will go on and people will survive just like they did in the 70s and 80s.

    I fully expect to die at work in my 70s (retirement will not be an option) assuming there is still employment from a easily preventable illness due to no functioning public health service.

    BruceWee
    Full Member

    As someone who lives abroad, for some reason I suddenly got very worried last week.  I’m now looking into getting a new passport (no dual-citizenship allowed so I’ll have to give up my British passport).  I suddenly started getting visions of being kicked out and being forced back to a UK that is rapidly going down the toilet.

    I do want to move back to the UK but this is not the way I want my glorious homecoming to go.

    scotroutes
    Full Member

    I’m just wondering how bad it will have to be before the majority of those in Scotland choose another path. I guess  iScotland might be attractive to many of the Remainers in rUK too.

    PJM1974
    Free Member

    Has anyone else passed the point where this is now starting to get really really worrying on a personal level?

    Yup.

    I live in a village in Kent, not far from the M20.  At the very least, I can expect it to become a lorry park.

    My employer has cut jobs on the back of the referendum result, virtually everyone I socialise with in London is reporting a similarly gloomy picture of a shrinking job market and costcutting.  While this might be seen as schadenfreude by many who don’t have to work in London, I’ve friends in the automotive and aerospace sector who really a tad nervous that the government that they voted for are looking out for their interests.

    If the Conservatives follow through on a policy that will make most of us poorer, then at the very least they can expect a 1997 style wipeout once the effects have been felt.

    uselesshippy
    Free Member

    Unfortunately, it looks more and more likely that we’re heading for a hard Brexit. I’m personally looking forward to it, but that’s only because I like to see things burn.

    What I most looking forward to is, once everything goes tits up, is reminding the people who voted for it, that it’s all their fault.

    BruceWee
    Full Member

    ‘No, it’s your fault for sabotaging Brexit, you remoaniac! Traitor!!’, is the response you should expect when you say ‘I told you so.’

    tjagain
    Full Member

    Interesting point scotroutes.  Trouble is a large % of the yes vote in the scottish referendum also want out of the EU the independence side being such a broad church

    I for one would far rather an independent scotland in the EU than a UK out of it.

    I think overall the eff up of brexit will lead to more pressure for independence

    crazy-legs
    Full Member

    What I most looking forward to is, once everything goes tits up, is reminding the people who voted for it, that it’s all their fault.

    To which the standad Leaver argument is that it’s actually the fault of Remainers for not beliving in it, being so negative, not negotiating well enough, not getting behind it, not accepting that “they won, you lost”…

    Can’t win.

    The oly logical option is to stand up and admit why the referendum was called in the first place, state that it’s actually impossible to deliver anything meaningful that makes any sense to anyone and apologise profusely to the EU for wasting their valuable time then spend the next 15 years rebuilding the things they’ve already burned and dragging the businesses back to the UK.

    thepurist
    Full Member

    reminding the people who voted for it, that it’s all their fault

    Good luck with that – they’ll be blaming Barnier and Tusk, or maybe the Maybot once the Gove/BloJo/RM axis topples her.  None of it will be because it was the ‘will of the people’.

    zippykona
    Full Member

    Once we are out I will write to that **** grayling every day asking why everything isn’t fixed yet.

    I will annoy that **** into an early grave.

    somafunk
    Full Member

    reminding the people who voted for it, that it’s all their fault

    I’ve gave up attempting to discuss Brexit with the leavers, all they get out of me now is “you’re a **** idiot”

    zippykona
    Full Member

    Once we have a glorious no deal the goods that I sell we be subjected to a 30% tax.

    Is there a list of how much other everyday stuff will go up?

    Do WTO rules supercede any other deals we have?

    Is it just eu stuff that will go up or Chinese as well?

    I can access my private  pension in 2 years time.

    If I end up on  the dole do I have to dip into that?

    Tenuous
    Free Member

    More not at all suspicious info on Aaron Banks and the money to fund Brexit …

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/amp/2018/06/the-british-russia-collusion-scandal-is-breaking-wide-open.html

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