The allegations are that they were not really other organisations, just spin offs created soecspecific to channel 💰💰

had said legal to donate to other campaigns if no co-ordination.

Which is the crux of the issue and allegations

Cabinet Office minister Chloe Smith said ministers should not pre-empt the findings of the independent Electoral Commission’s investigations into whether any campaigners breached political finance rules..

Serious enough to be investigated though isn’t it.

Well it has been investigated twice and there is a third attempt now, but on the basis that Remain were cleared of co-ordination and they are documented as holding daily conference calls to agree press lines, I think the chances of any joy being brought to remainers are very remote.

Investigated with all the current evidence?

I say again what evidence?  Proper evidence, not tweets or articles.

Probably what has been given to them, direct tistimony etc. after all if nothing had changd why look at it again? The point above about deletions occuring after investigation on March 1st suggest tracks were being covered, if those documents or evidence of the deletion is presented then it’s well worth a look. Unless you have decided nothing could possibly be wrong there.

Loving Mefty’s efforts… but not really sure his heart is in it. Good work though… “there is no evidence”… “look into my eyes”… “there is no evidence”…

My highlight of the week is far more dry than all this opaque methods and funding stuff… it’s this from our PM… when replying to one of her own MPs…

Is that actually real?

Does anyone remember those Longjohns sketches with Bird and Fortune?

Kelvin – I think you accidentally reprinted one.

No my heart is in it because I think it is a load of bollocks,  I watched some of the great whistleblower’s evidence, he said he worked for the company in 2013 and 2014 and yet is giving “categorical” evidence on what the company did in 2015.

The other whistleblower admitted on tv, there was no smoking gun.

Its wishful thinking bollocks.

What would be proper évidence ?

At the moment there are witnesses and digital trail of documents.

That is good start.

There is clear evidence including a paper trail of the overspending.  You can prentend all you like this is not so

They were reviewing a dossier of evidence supplied by solicitors Bindmans, which contained examples of alleged collusion showing that Vote Leave and BeLeave were not separate and therefore that the leave campaign spent over the £7m legal limit set by the Electoral Commission.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/mar/26/vote-leave-members-may-have-committed-criminal-offences

https://www.ft.com/content/ff5bbc0c-3120-11e8-b5bf-23cb17fd1498

UK cries foul over exclusion from EU satellite planMinisters

and companies push to retain full participation in Galileo project after Brexit

Damn EU rules denying us our cake

Data.

Even outside the EU, we’ll be able to take part in such schemes IF we accept the rules and jurisdiction over data that the EU creates. Other posts on this page remind us that data, and the protection of it, is more and more important.

when I was at Cardiff Uni all the student union paperwork on Kinnock apparently went missing (83-86), but rumour was that he started several different political parties in order to bag more funding from the student union pot.

Same with clinical trials Kelvin, a lot of UK studies in limbo at the moment, because we can’t say what relationship will be re privacy laws etc.

See also UKs cake & eat it position over EMA

Very frustrating for researchers & drug companies

Sutely all the industry heads are giving Enola May a bollocking?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/01/08/drug-firms-push-uk-remain-part-eu-medicines-agency/

There is clear evidence including a paper trail of the overspending. You can prentend all you like this is not so

Aren’t the key phrases in the article you linked to “lawyers said” and “may have”?

Well Palantir (another dodgy data company this time named after the numenorean seeing stones in lord of the rings) who handle huge datasets for US & UK governments secret service whom wylie claimed were involved in the fraud.

Have changed their categorical denial of using the dodgy FB data or any contact at all with Cambridge Analytica, re brexit to ‘we did, but it was only a few people’.

I’m sure they can be the key phrases if that’s what you wish. Though as for lawyers saying “may have”, MRDA

As a side note, it’s refreshing to search for “may” and not find a load of vacuous nonsense.

TurnerGuy – when I was at Cardiff Uni all the student union paperwork on Kinnock apparently went missing

Is this a confession TG?  When our Neil suffers identity theft, are you the man to send the police to chat to?  😜

As a side note, it’s refreshing to search for “may” and not find a load of vacuous nonsense

Made me chuckle . I think its fair to say the case is not proven however to claim there is no evidence requires some  rather blue tinted [ or are they Union jack tinted these days] glasses.

I think the official name for the colour is French Navy. Or was that the delivery method.

shock horror, politicians have decided to shaft the electorate and ignore any evidence.

https://twitter.com/patrickwintour/status/978982713834262528

so all those promises / red lines from May and co – all were obviously ridiculous and never going to fly.  All dropped.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2018/mar/28/11-brexit-promises-leavers-quietly-dropped?CMP=fb_gu

Radio 5 is worth listening to at the moment. They’re in Teeside. Which voted 85% to leave. The complaint from everyone is that their industrial base has been decimated, and an elite in London has essentially left them to rot.

All of this is obviously correct.

But to think that leaving the EU is going to offer the answers to that is just completely delusional. It’ll just accelerate that.

The phrase they keep saying is that ‘it can’t get any worse’

I think they might be in for a rude awakening

Crikey, sounds like Teeside has a serious case of Stockhausen syndrome.

Same with clinical trials Kelvin, a lot of UK studies in limbo at the moment, because we can’t say what relationship will be re privacy laws etc.

See also UKs cake & eat it position over EMA

Very frustrating for researchers & drug companies

What concerns re privacy laws are there? Any links to articles that spell this out?

They’re in Teeside. Which voted 85% to leave. The complaint from everyone is that their industrial base has been decimated, and an elite in London has essentially left them to rot.

Whilst it was the EU giving them money….

What have the romans ever done for us?!!!

binners wrote:

The phrase they keep saying is that ‘it can’t get any worse’

This is the essential delusion – as rubbish as it might be in a lot of those areas, they have no idea how much better it is than it could be.

Might have been the same people on Radio 4 with Liam Fox this morning. I paraphrase (and don’t quote the numbers, it’s what I remember-ish)

“Trade with the EU used to be 60%, now it’s 46% and our trade is growing with China, Korea, etc.”

“But we make moulded plastic panels for car doors. No-one’s going to ship them half way round the world to be used in Korean factories”

“But trade is growing with Korea and it will be growing faster than our trade with EU”

“Not with car door panels”

“But we have to find a way to build our trade with countries like Korea”

“Not on door panels you won’t”

“Trade with the EU used to be 60%, now it’s 46% and our trade is growing with China, Korea, etc.”  and so on.

Wired to the **** moon……..

Equally clueless bunch of **** interviewed on R4 this morning too (probably around 7-7:30am), many had voted remain but all just wanted it over and done with regardless of what harm it was likely to cause. I find it hard to give a shit for them but there are lots of innocents caught up in it too.

I shall look forward to the “remember them ” brigade on Facebook bravely giving up their holiday entitlement so that we can compete globally.

They shall march bravely forward wth one weeks paid holiday and no sick pay knowing full well that they voted for it.

****.

The Working Time Directive guarantees a minimum of 20 days. In the UK we’re guaranteed 28 days if you include bank holidays. I think if they’d wanted to reduce holiday pay then would they not have reduced it to the 20 days minimum under the WTD already?

Youd have to have a Mogg / Fox government before they start lopping off annual leave!

So far weve seen that inflation has taken >£600 from the annual family thanks to the vote (that was in November, will be more by now)

of course that has hit the poorest the hardest, its remarkable that those interviewed are so relaxed about it all

http://www.niesr.ac.uk/sites/default/files/publications/Report_THE%20EU%20REFERENDUM%20AND%20FISCAL%20IMPACT%20ON%20LOW%20INCOME%20HOUSEHOLDS_June%208th_0.pdf

what is even more remarkable is that so many socialists still back Brexit after that!

There’s a fair number that I know who voted to leave as a protest vote….

I mean WTF???

You voted to make yourself worse off & restrict your opportunities to stick 2 fingers up at a political elite who are so well insulated that any fallout from Brexit will go virtually unnoticed by them…..?!

You couldn’t make it up..

There’s nothing like siding with an ex banker to really stick it to the man.