Barnes has indeed got an epic tool.

I wish to contradickt this slander. My tool is entirely unremarkable, however it seems to do the job quite adequately :o)

Tootall – wanna kick ‘im while I hold ‘im dahn?

Elfinsafety – Member
Where did I say that?

On one hand you claim to be proud of how your environment has influenced your language, and are – for some strange reason – proud of the result, yet you scoff at people whose environment has led them to speak in the style of the musicians they listen to!

The reason nobody takes your opinions seriously is that you don’t have the intelligence to form water-tight opinions based on the big picture. You simply react to details, going off half-cocked with a limited understanding of the subject and as a result, your views are riddled with inconsistencies.

And yes, I’m quite sure you lack any formal education in English language further than GCSE level. Your inability to use “its”, “it’s”, or to maintain a single tense for the duration of a whole sentence are dead give-aways.
[edit] Reading Eats Shoots and Leaves or Lost for Words doesn’t amount to further education

Heh!

Rather than actually engage in intelligent discussion, some of you are wound up to the point of launching ad hominem attacks on me. All sadly very predictable.

Which is why, in the abscess of anything more constructive, I shall take my leave of you for now.

Besides I’ve got to take me flippin’ busted bike to the shop for scrutiny.

yet you scoff at people whose environment has led them to speak in the style of the musicians they listen to!

I find it a bit pathetic that some choose merely to mimic others without adding anything themselves; to passively absorb cultural products without considering their own identity also. Hey ho, their choice I suppose. Yet there are many other aspects of youth culture which are very interesting. However, I’m not so blinkered to think that everything I did as a teenager was ‘cool’; a lot of it was bloody silly really. I suspect that most of today’s yute dem will come to realise this for themselves, in the fullness of time.

And yes, I’m quite sure you lack any formal education in English language further than GCSE level.

You’d be right there. It’s a wonder I can reed and rite at al. 🙄

I’ll alert the media.

Fred, you asked me a question in your last post. As you can see, I’ve answered it in detail.

I’d be interested to hear your comments… 🙄

And yes, I’m quite sure you lack any formal education in English language further than GCSE level. Your inability to use “its”, “it’s”, or to maintain a single tense for the duration of a whole sentence are dead give-aways.

That seems a bit harsh and up yourself or is that up ones self? – I could never get to grips with grammar.

Your inability to use “its”, “it’s”

I think this distinction is fatuous snobbery 🙁 Say it out loud – any difference ? Spoken language is the definitive form, written a flawed approximation.

That seems a bit harsh and up yourself or is that up ones self? – I could never get to grips with grammar.

Merely pointing out how a slip in standards can make written English ambiguous or difficult to understand.

al – I’m not touching him. He appears to be some sort of common guttersnipe and beneath us both. Perhaps we could pay another manual labourer to rough him up a little?

someone call for me……. 8)

no you were not you were saying he was thick, that he could not form coherent arguments , keep tense or use it’s and its correctly.

Fred, you asked me a question in your last post. As you can see, I’ve answered it in detail.

I’d be interested to hear your comments…

Quite frankly Adam, you’re more interested in trying to make yourself look clever, butI’ll grant you a response. Because I’m nice like that, you see? 🙂

My initial point, which seems to have eluded several folk on here, was that Ms Thompson suggests that the use of slang is a signifier of low intelligence. Which it isn’t. That’s the snobbishness and narrow-mindedness I was attacking. At no point did I attack her class or background. My comments have been misinterpreted by those wishing to seek argument with me, rather than actually having a think about what I writed. As per bloody usual on here.

Right, I really must love you and leave you all; I have a dinner date with a lovely young middle class lady.

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no you were not you were saying he was thick, that he could not form coherent arguments , keep tense or use it’s and its correctly.

And your point is? 🙄

Fred, I think someone must have hacked your account, because I could have sworn I just copied this off your original post:

Granted, some scrote mumbling some inane ‘gangsta’ toss they’ve learned off their (c)Rap albums just sounds daft,

Isn’t ‘daft’ another word for thick or foolish? So, to spell this out to you, on one hand you think people sound thick (daft) if their speach and language has been shaped by listening to urban music, yet you think Miss Thompson is a ‘stuck up cah’, ‘snobbish’ and ‘narrow minded’ for asserting pretty much the same opinion.

I’m lost.

I’m lost.

Yes, you are.

Bless.

Thought you’d gone to crack one off whilst fantasising about middle class women on a date?

I’m just going to log on Amazon to buy that book: “Rants, Shouts and Leaves” by Padded Fred.

Where’s Mark_Datz when there’s a real need for a comprehensive, beautifully articulated thread closer that renders us all open mouthed and awestruck?

Ms Thompson suggests that the use of slang is a signifier of low intelligence. Which it isn’t.

Emma: “Just don’t do it. Because it makes you sound stupid and you’re not stupid.”

Elfred: “some scrote mumbling some inane ‘gangsta’ toss they’ve learned off their (c)Rap albums just sounds daft“

What is the linguistic difference between “low intelligence”, “daft” and “stupid”?

🙄

Oops, looks like Graham’s lost too! 🙂

no you were not you were saying he was thick, that he could not form coherent arguments , keep tense or use it’s and its correctly.

And your point is?
Lost on you but not on everyone else I assume.
Should I insult your intelligence now and make rash conclusions about the standard of your educational achievement? Its [sic] the done thing here innit

Junkyard, I’ve never claimed to be a particularly nice man. 😉

What is a ‘cah’ anyway?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cah

What is a ‘cah’ anyway?

first you have to decide if you’re going to use language as a tool for communication or status. Then the answer becomes clear.

What if, as in Elfs case, status is one of the subtexts that you wish to communicate?

What if, as in Elfs case, status is one of the subtexts that you wish to communicate?

I don’t think that is the case 🙂

I’m sure, despite his reportedly fragile grasp of peristeronic English, that he actually knows how to spell “cow”. 😀

So presumably he choose to say “cah” to convey (or at least imply) his status as a good, honest, mockney working class type?

 

(Whereas I wish to convey my middle-class intellectual elitism, hence my casual use of the word “peristeronic”)

So presumably he choose to say “cah” to convey (or at least imply) his status as a good, honest, mockney working class type?

is that the only possible reason for affecting a different accent ?

is that the only possible reason for affecting a different accent?

No, but as we were discussing, the listener/reader makes judgements based on the words/slang used. I see the spelling “cah”, put that with my knowledge of Elfred’s location, and I hear it in a nice Ray Winston style accent.

If that was his intent, then he was looking to convey status.
If that was not his intent then it is a nice demonstration of failing to communicate correctly when using slang.

If that was his intent, then he was looking to convey status.

I don’t associate Cockerney with any particular status…

If that was not his intent then it is a nice demonstration of failing to communicate correctly when using slang.

or contrariwise with your comprehension ?

I don’t associate Cockerney with any particular status…

How very PC of you. I wonder if Elf would agree?
Wikipedia certainly says “[Cockney] refers to working class Londoners, particularly those in the East End.”

However I was using “status” in the more general definition: i.e. “information about a current situation”, rather than just social standing. So by affecting an accent I am saying that he is providing additional subtext to his statement.

I’m sorry, I don’t speak unemployed.

So by affecting an accent I am saying that he is providing additional subtext to his statement.

I wonder what that means ?

I’m sorry, I don’t speak unemployed.

wonderful. Given the current situation that’s a large chunk of the population beyond the pale 🙁 I think it’s saddening that people should be so defined by something many hate!

I wonder what that means ?

🙄

Not sure which bit is hard: by choosing to affect a particular accent, Elf is (in my opinion) communicating additional information that is not discernible from the meaning of his words alone.

Hence, why in considering your statement..

first you have to decide if you’re going to use language as a tool for communication or status. Then the answer becomes clear.

..I concluded that Elf intended communication of meaning and status.

Clear?

Now perhaps you could expand on how his choice of vernacular influenced your own understanding?

Now perhaps you could expand on how his choice of vernacular influenced your own understanding?

I assigned no particular significance to it, other than humour

Do any of you actually read what you write before you click “send post”???

I assigned no particular significance to it, other than humour

So it communicated nothing, but somehow made it funny? Interesting. 🙄

Do any of you actually read what you write before you click “send post”???

I don’t even read what I write when I’m writing it. I just open my brain and let the words fall out.

Is it too late to ask for a threesome with the delightful Miss Thompson and the fragrant Eddi Reader?

(Whereas I wish to convey my middle-class intellectual elitism, hence my casual use of the word “peristeronic”)

Does your elite intellect know the differenece between ‘pidgin’ and a ‘pigeon’? 🙄