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jonba - Member

Lets see - under labour we had unprecedented period of stable and sustainable growth and we were weathering the global storm well. tories come in and immediately unemployment rises, growth slows as a direct result of their policies.

lol

It would be good to see some strong leaders in Westminster from any party, the current three big hitters are fairly useless, more interested in not offending anyone than actually doing anything constructive.

Out of the present lot I'd probably vote Tory, although that would do nothing as I live in Newcastle.

I have a lot of respect for IDS, I don't think he was ever the right person to lead the party but he is a principled man and is doing a lot of work at present trying to push positive reforms.

Posted 5 months ago #
teamhurtmore - Member

OMG - just watched Rachel Reeves on Newsnight. Like the OBR, I think TJ and co need to revise their forecasts downwards.

She is Oxford and LSE educated and worked at BoE and HBOS - what the h**l happened to the poor lady?

Posted 5 months ago #
big_n_daft - Member

I have a lot of respect for IDS, I don't think he was ever the right person to lead the party but he is a principled man and is doing a lot of work at present trying to push positive reforms.

+1 and Frank Field

I actually think Brown did OK during his time as PM. He clearly had his personality faults & wasn't very 'telegenic', but I think he really saw it as his duty to help the poorer members of society rather than just representing the interests of the rich and powerful.

he was the worst kind of social manipulator who clearly didn't understand anything beyond his own little bubble hence "bigotgate" etc

as for his management of the economy and "prudence", yo-yo income taxes, banishing "boom and bust" etc etc

Posted 5 months ago #
TandemJeremy - Member

IDS? Frank Feild? Both know nothing muppets with whose ideas are laughable

Posted 5 months ago #
althepal - Member

although of course Labour are not alone in history for making these (public) schoolboy errors.

FTFY

Posted 5 months ago #
ernie_lynch - Member

big_n_daft - Member

as for his management of the economy and "prudence", yo-yo income taxes.....

What's "yo-yo income taxes" ?

Have a look at what income tax did under Gordon Brown :

Are you suggesting that income tax went up and down under Gordon Brown ?

If so, following your claim on another thread yesterday that the trade unions donate £30 million plus to the Labour Party, it's clear that you're not very good when in comes to "facts" big and daft. Or is your political position so weak that you have to rely on lies ?

Posted 5 months ago #
big_n_daft - Member

now you see 10% income tax rate
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/rates/itarchive.htm

now you don't
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/rates/it.htm#1

or did the 10% rate never happen?

on Union funding
http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2011/09/30/labour-party-funding-on-trade-union-life-support/

I can't find the reference that stated that affliations plus central donations plus local donations get close to £30million so could be complete bollocks

Posted 5 months ago #
ernie_lynch - Member

So you do mean that taxes went up and down under Gordon Brown, with your reference to "yo-yo income taxes".

Yes, there was a starting rate of income tax as well as a basic rate, and this starting rate was scrapped. But you can hardly characterise Brown's time in office with income taxes going up and down.

So I'll settle for my second suggestion - your political position so weak that you have to rely on lies.

There's plenty to criticise Gordon Brown for without having to embellish it with lies.

The problem for someone like you is that is that any criticism of Brown is undermined by the fact that you're a Tory. In other words, you would screw up Britain even more.

Posted 5 months ago #
big_n_daft - Member

and this starting was scrapped.

remind me, wasn't it introduced just before a General Election and scrapped just after one?

Posted 5 months ago #
big_n_daft - Member

The problem for someone like you is that is that any criticism of Brown is undermined by the fact that you're a Tory. In other words, you would screw up Britain even more.

seeing as you only know I didn't vote for GB that's a sweeping assumption

didn't you vote Green?

Posted 5 months ago #
ernie_lynch - Member

seeing as you only know I didn't vote for GB that's a sweeping assumption

I know that you argue like a Tory, it is a perfectly sensible assumption. Whether you vote actually vote Tory is irrelevant - do you vote UKIP ?

Your whole criticism of Brown is based on two things - yo-yo income taxes, and not banishing boom and bust. Your yo-yo income tax claim is false, and there's always been plenty of boom and bust under the Tories.

Yes I voted Green last election.

Posted 5 months ago #
IHN - Member

Well, I've just listened to the interviews with Ed Balls and George Osborne on R4 this morning and I have to sat that Osborne was the most credible.

I say this as a lifelong, hand-wringing, lefty-liberal, but if the election were tomorrow, I'd be voting Tory.

Not only that, but in the last week I've also, at times, agreed with ElfinFred and Hora. Dear God, what's happening to me?

Posted 5 months ago #
aracer - Member

IHN - look at the polls - without a miracle Cameron will be out at the next election. The majority of the public have seen straight thru him and Clegg. Labours lead in the polls is 5+ % and has been for months in most polls - enough to give a serious majority and the Lib Dems to be wiped out

Well it appears CMD really does turn water into wine. TJ - look at the polls. Are you still sure about the result of the next election?

I'm surprised to find this was only a month ago.

Posted 4 months ago #
binners - Member

Doomed! DOOMED I tell thee!

Posted 4 months ago #
Stoner - Member

floating voters in fickle electorate shocker
Which way would like to be violated today?

Posted 4 months ago #
Junkyard - Member

The people have spoken, the bastards."

Dick Tuck

Posted 4 months ago #
Stoner - Member

Dick Tuck

who he?
Sounds like a pre-op tranny.

Posted 4 months ago #
Junkyard - Member

google it you know you want to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Tuck

Political prankster nixon era basically

Posted 4 months ago #

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