midnighthour - I think its quite hard to unpick all that, Did they become like that thru the drugs? Were they merely creating a persona to justify themselves?
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I had a shared university room with a guy that shared the name of John Lennon's killer. Within a few weeks he was in with the substance abusers and became an increasing pain in the arse to live with. I decided to move out and had an interesting conversation with the university hall manager who gave me my hall fees back in cash rather than risk me carrying out the threats I made when he initially refused.
Midnighthour's comments ring very true. The guy thought his drug taking made him a star and winning the Space Invaders tournament a major achievement. He failed the first year. In the space of two months a talented mathematician became an anti-socail waster that stank of BO.
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TandemJ - I dont truely know how any of them became like that as I knew none of them myself before they were into taking various things.
I have heard their own views and perspectives, but such are hardly neutral and may not be accurate as how many of us see ourselves with neutral perception or without adding shades of colour and self justification?
They all had some sort of problem in thier childhood, often of feeling isolated or rejected, but then so did I and I dont take anything, so a factor but not the only one.
To be honest you would need a time machine to go back and see with neutral eyes.
2 of them I know or have known pretty well. They had lives that were comfortable and ok though early 20's to mid 30's so it was not ongoing misery or pressure. At that period they were both quite comfortable and had no major stress factors then, they did not know each other so its not a common factor.
I still believe the need to be very important and in control is a prime factor, but you see that in bullying managers, people who hit their partners, sneering at others and various passive aggressive behaviours. I wonder if its all in the same 'control others and feel self important' group, using whatever techniques seem effective to the specific individual - almost chance if you grow up to drink or instead bully the office secretary.
But I could be talking utter rubbish, its just my own observational theory.
Whatever the reasons (and I really did wish to understand) you end up with a certain sort of person who will destroy their own lives and feel no concern about destroying people around them, in order to see themselves as the centre of the universe. The trouble is, as I said first of all, they are the most dangerous to vulnerable people as they promote substance abuse as glamorous, non risky, high status and just for fun and because they hold down jobs and careers, it looks plausible. But perhaps not so 'harmless'for some of the people who follow their advice to just take some and feel better. Its very sad for all concerned.
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Becoming addicted can be easier than you think - especially if it's a psychological addiction, not chemical.
I spent 6 months getting pilled up three times a week, because of the euphoric high separated me from reality.
Looking back, I wish it took me less than 6 months to wake up and realise the downward spiral I was in. Managed to pull myself out of it.
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at the end of the day a poor girl has died, its very tragic, unfortunate and sad, I do not see why anyone has to be so down on her.
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at the end of the day a poor girl has died, its very tragic, unfortunate and sad, I do not see why anyone has to be so down on her.
lots of poor girls die every year i just dont get why her life is more important of any of theirs,
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ilovemygears, I agree with that but I also think people should be free to express their celebrity obession in any way they wish. It's still a dead girl. V sad.
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lots of poor girls die every year i just dont get why her life is more important of any of theirs,
or less important..
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I grew up in the east end of Glasgow. In my youth I grew up in fear of glue sniffers and in my teens junkies. I was attacked by a gang smashed on drink and drugs and but in hospital with head injuries for no reason other than because i was there.One of my attackers in later life was murdered by drug dealers another OD'ed.
I for 5 years help raise funds for a Drug charity and heard heart breaking stories of life's destroyed by drug addiction, people with no hope and lives on a road to disaster. Kids born it families who openly use drugs in front of children. Speaking to people who were clean after a period of addiction the one thing they all accepted was that they were responsible for their own actions, drugs explains it but doesn't excuse it.
The people that attacked me were the bad kids we all avoid as we grow up. That action of avoidance is the very thing that causes there isolation from normal society.
This is only one side of the drug problem but my experience has shown me that every junkie has their own story and its not so cut and dry.Posted 10 months ago # -
I'm quite ignorant on this subject, the reason I'm commenting is threefold.
1) I've always steered clear of drugs. When at Uni the "weed" came around and I chose not to partake, my choice. A few other mates chose to toke and that was that. In the era of Acid I too stood well clear whilst some friends took part (although I did go to a few raves, boing boing boing)
2) I now have a very close friend who was into Acid, nothing else I'm told and they didn't take it to the max, just the odd pill here and there at these raves, since then they've not touched the stuff. But they have had experiances of being with a group that has dabbled in harder stuff and seen some incidents (I'm told though I've chosen not to hear about these incidents)
3) Having tried to pursue a life of a roadie back in the day I ended up being in the same bunch with a few that used to take performance enhancing stuff. I chose not too.Looking back I think I've had enough experiance to classify me as "informed" yet I've always chosen not to partake. I have not been influenced by peer preasure, even when racing or within a group of friends I think I've been pretty open minded just that I've chosen not to partake.
You could say that I'm ignorant to the whys and wherefores of the drug scene, but I know enough about it to not get involved, which I think is a healthy way to look at the whole thing.As for the events of Ami, I'm not commenting on the drug side of things, she just seemed to me to be a rather sad person looking for some sort of aceptance in a peer group of some sort. I do feel sorry for the loss though.
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A bit less judging and a bit more understanding and sympathy would make all our lives a little bit better...
Personally I don't think any more than this needs to be said
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Lose someone to drugs and it's a lot harder to be so opinionated. I bet the condemners of misuse have not known someone at the sharp end of addiction.
Sometimes STW is like reading the Daily Mail.
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I have as said in my prev posts, I have known substance abusers/drinkers and I felt compassion for them. But compassion is what they often feed on - it took me a while to fully understand that. I also saw utter selfishness and how content they were to put their "much loved" families through misery, fear and anxiety, as well as being more than willing to knowingly encourage other people into the same behaviour.
I see addiction as complex and often with a sad background. I don't see it as acceptable to destoy others because of it.
Attention. Control. Ego. You can understand and sympathise with the driving need, but it does not make it OK.I have not thought of this thread as specific to Amy Winehouse, but as something that raised a general discussion on addiction. But I will end with a quote from a newspaper yesterday, said by her father and I doubt he was being harsh, just stating a fact.
"What she really likes,’ said Mitch, ‘is for people to worry about her."
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