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  • Donald! Trump!
  • kimbers
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    But Johnson said Trump deserved a Nobel peace prize !!!!

    martinhutch
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    You can’t fault Johnson there – he was following the standard protocol for communicating with Trump.

    1) Go on Fox and Friends

    2) Say something over-flattering about how great Trump is.

    3) Slip in the actual valid point that you want Trump to embrace, hoping that John Bolton doesn’t get to him before he tweets his agreement from the toilet.

    Don’t understand why it didn’t work on this occasion.

    thejesmonddingo
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    Perhaps Boris should’ve gone to the toilet with him ?

    MrWoppit
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    So Trump is taking all the credit for appearing to resolve the NK situation.

    Here’s a thought…

    Let’s suppose you find yourself inheriting a failing dynastic dictatorship that can’t even feed it’s own people and is kept going by forced labour, political repression and a trickle of help from your powerful ally to the north and you are not a stupid person.

    Let’s also suppose that you’ve decided the best way out of your dilemma is to get your hands on all that lovely American cash.

    Thinking strategically, what would be the best way of going about playing your fish?

    mikewsmith
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    Listen to the cringeworthy hostage return, Kim was very nice to them, he has been great…

    NK have wanted this meeting, now with very little given up they have it.

    cchris2lou
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    As if China are going to let US firms exploit NK ressources. The chinese are playing with Trump.

    mikewsmith
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    A 14-year-old boy was among those killed on Monday and more than 900 people were injured, the Hamas-run health ministry said.

    Palestinians hurled stones while the Israeli military used snipers as black smoke poured from burning tyres.

    Israel’s army said 10,000 “violent rioters” had gathered along the security fence and that its troops were operating “in accordance with standard procedures”.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-44104599

    Another success for Trump.

    “Today is the big day when we will cross the fence and tell Israel and the world we will not accept being occupied forever,” a science teacher in Gaza, Ali, told Reuters news agency.

    Israel says the protests are aimed at breaching the border, which it heavily guards, and attacking Israeli communities nearby.

    I wonder how the world would have reacted if the Palestinians had taken this approach when Israel came over the border.

    (and yes we know loads of US presidents crossed their fingers and said one day, one day we will about moving the embassy but none of them really though if doing it)

    andykirk
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    Following the deaths of over 50 Palestinians today it would appear Mr Trump has a lot of blood on his hands, whilst his family takes tea and cake at the Embassy.

    Can you imagine the news if that was happening to British people?  It’s unbelievable.

    andy8442
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    Just what does this man have to do before the whole world say no more. The middle east is on a knife edge, and this idiot just keeps prodding it. The good folk in the USA have a lot to answer for in not getting rid of this fool.

    ninfan
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    I wonder how the world would have reacted if the Palestinians had taken this approach when Israel came over the border.

    Go on then, remind us, exactly when did Israel “come over the border”?

    mikewsmith
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    Ah ninfan the pedant is back… Well one time would be when they built houses in the occupied territory  I’m sure you agree though shooting over 50 people dead is terrible.

    ninfan
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    Well one time would be when they built houses in the occupied territory

    And how did it end up “occupied”?

    Nothing to do with the little matter of an out military invasion by neighbouring Arab countries? You know, invasion, “coming over the border” as it’s sometimes called, but with tanks and bombs.

    Tell me, just what did happen to the Jewish quarter of Jerusalem when the Arabs “came across the border”? I’m sure you would agree that a few thousand dead Jews is terrible, of course…

    mikewsmith
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    Dead people are terrible, their religion does not make them more or less important , in a part of the world where sides are digging in deeper and refusing to compromise rewarding one side is irresponsible. Continuing with a photo op after this bloodshed is disgusting.

    ninfan
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    rewarding one side

    only one side is sworn to the complete destruction of the other.

    mikewsmith
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    As he trots out the lines like a little trump to justify murder. Its all a bit sad really

    ninfan
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    justify murder.

    “Resistance and jihad for the liberation of Palestine will remain a legitimate right, a duty and an honour for all the sons and daughters of our people and our Ummah.”

    ”Resisting the occupation with all means and methods is a legitimate right guaranteed by divine laws and by international norms and laws. At the heart of these lies armed resistance, which is regarded as the strategic choice for protecting the principles and the rights of the Palestinian people.”

    mikewsmith
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    So it’s allowed to shoot people because they come from a country?

    ninfan
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    So it’s allowed to shoot people because they come from a country?

    Palestine isn’t a country

    it would have been, if they hadn’t rejected the two state solution proposed by the United Nations,, repeatedly, and turned to violence instead.

    mikewsmith
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    So it’s OK to shoot 50 people dead?

    ninfan
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    So it’s OK to shoot 50 people dead?

    Depends what they were doing

    deadlydarcy
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    Depends what they were doing

    Very much so. Like when people are reportedly chasing a car into a group of protestors.

    mikewsmith
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    Or a rough translation what their religion/skin colour/place of birth was.

    ninfan
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    Funny, didn’t appear to be many Israelis out on the streets calling Trump a Nazi today, did there Darcy? I mean, you would have though that if anyone didn’t like Nazi’s…

    mikewsmith
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    I mean, you would have though that if anyone didn’t like Nazi’s…

    If a horse was that lame… They are out celebrating wrapping him around thrir little finger. Bet he read all those empty files about Iran… But seriously do you even try these days?

    ninfan
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    They are out celebrating wrapping him around thrir little finger.

    just another pawn in the international Jewish conspiracy…

    mikewsmith
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    Oh wow… Do you have these on a word doc?

    deadlydarcy
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    I mean, you would have though that if anyone didn’t like Nazi’s…

    Yes, of course labbie.

    akira
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    Yeah shooting a guy in a wheelchair who had a slingshot seems justifiable.

    kimbers
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    The orange **** told us that Jared Kushner was going to bring peace to the Middle East

    He was there a whole afternoon & 50 people were killed & 2000 wounded

    (Obviously in a completely proprtionate response to transgressions on their completely legally seized land.)

    The nobel peace prize committee must be getting ready with their certificate

    mikewsmith
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    Yep the forwarded thinking diplomat is not in the white house

    CountZero
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    So it’s OK to shoot 50 people dead?

    Depends what they were doing

    Well, they weren’t shooting unarmed people, some may have been chucking stones and using slingshots, and of course, using live fire and snipers is always a reasonable and proportional response, is it not?

    And that, Ninny, is what’s known as a rhetorical question, by the way.

    pondo
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    Palestine isn’t a country

    I know – compared to the artificially-created nation Israel that has a full 60 years in the history books, the state of Palestine that was mentioned a thousand years before the birth of Christ should really stop whining about it, shouldn’t it.

    Northwind
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    This guy was definitely a threat- armed to the teeth and just about to vault the fence so you can definitely see why he was targeted and shot dead by a sniper

    And this guy could have gassed a member of the IDF by knocking one of their own tear gas cans right down the mid court, that’s totally unacceptable

    mikewsmith
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    Proving it’s not that complicated

    Rabbi Latz ‏ @RavMABAY

    I am a rabbi. I love Israel. I condemn without reservation the bloodshed in Gaza. Not so hard. You can challenge the Israeli government’s policies without being anti-Semitic.

    theotherjonv
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    And equally; I’m no lover of the Israeli government but when Hamas was posting this message of peace it’s not easy to call them blameless for the escalation either…..

    Still, difficult to see the opening of an Embassy in Jerusalem on a day that the occupied territories consider to be somewhat disputed as a calculated peace move.

    No solutions, just despair at the human condition.

    CountZero
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    Just come across this piece on the GOP, Nixon, and his collusion with South Vietnam.

    https://theintercept.com/2017/12/20/republican-attacks-on-robert-mueller-are-absurd-but-the-gop-has-been-lawless-for-decades/

    But one thing’s for sure: If Trump does take some kind of outrageous action against Mueller, the Republican Party will mumble, look down at its shoes, and then do nothing whatsoever. Earlier this year there was momentum among a small number of GOP lawmakers to join with Democrats to pass legislation protecting Mueller, but that’s quietly petered out. There may be some opposition from some Republicans, but the odds of it being enough to stop Trump are quite low.

    If this occurs it should come as no surprise to anyone. It’s simply the logical endpoint of decades of effort by the Republican Party and its media penumbra to shield the GOP from the rule of law or any small-D democratic norms. Today’s GOP sees any and all rules just as billionaire New York real estate developer Leona Helmsley saw taxes – they’re only for “the little people.”

    There’s always been a significant faction of the U.S. right, rooted mostly in large corporations, that’s similar to the right in Latin America, in that it genuinely sees democracy as illegitimate. The success of Franklin D. Roosevelt during the 1930s was a gigantic shock to their system, and there were two small scale efforts by Wall Street and big business to overthrow Roosevelt via military coup. Meanwhile, John Foster Dulles, a powerful corporate lawyer who later became secretary of state during the Eisenhower administration, told his clients facing new government restrictions: “Do not comply. Resist the law with all your might, and soon everything will be all right.”

    mikewsmith
    Free Member

    And next up Kim starts to mess them all around… How does it look if he gets stood up?

    FuzzyWuzzy
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    Well the NK-US summit was either never going to actually happen or not amount to anything, all NK wants out of it is a bit of international sympathy and maybe a relaxing of sanctions. Kim isn’t stupid enough to think he’d still have the same power in a united Korea (at best he’d hope for immunity). I doubt even SK wants a united Korea except in principal – OK East and West Germany managed to merge fairly successfully but NK & SK is a whole different ball game.

    mikewsmith
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    Yep unification would be messy, problem state side is the US thought it had all the cards here, if you say it was your skill that got you there then being stood up looks really bad. Kim is running the show in this

    disco_stu
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    Just come across this piece on the GOP, Nixon, and his collusion with South Vietnam

    The recent Ken Burns documentary on the Vietnam war is well worth a watch if you haven’t seen it, it’s a bit of an eye opener on US foreign policy and what a mess they made of it.

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