he has poor judgement and is incapable of making a rational, logical decision. In fact, he is entirely “reactive”. His “policies” consist of short outbursts on what ever he has just been talking about with whoever last spoke to him.

Interesting that you know so much, met Donald many times have you? worked with him for long?

So how does this analysis tie in with the King of Jordan’s working holiday in the US, plus the recent extended trip to the Middle East, particularly Saudi Arabia.

Maybe, just maybe, there’s more going on behind the scenes than you care to admit to yourself?

Seems weird that the great negotiator couldn’t roll this into a deal though !!

NY Times

jambalaya – Member

Well done to Trump on Israel, he has significant cross party support too. He’s also working on ending funding to Palestinian Authority who divert aid money to pay terrorist

Funny how one persons terrorist is anothers army, isnt it?

Another cretin that finds it acceptable to take a statement from one small group and genralise it to an entire group of people that are only connected by their religious label.

you mean like Lefties repeatedly do with Nazi’s and Conservatives/Republicans/Trump supporters/Brexiteers?

All the same thing ninfan.

Yay people seriously injured in clashes in Gaza.

Truly something for the Trump fans to cheer

Maybe, just maybe the fanatical Muslims shouldn’t have got quite the hump when the Don recognised Jerusalem as Israel’s capital?….they bring half this crap on themselves with their inability to discuss anything religious in a rational way.
Stuff ‘ em.

Maybe, just maybe the fanatical Muslims shouldn’t have got quite the hump when the Don recognised Jerusalem as Israel’s capital?

Well, to be fair it seems that every US President, and the US Congress, and law, has recognised Jerusalem as the capital for about thirty years.

Hell, even Hillary agreed: http://edition.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/07/09/senate.2000/hrc.jerusalem/

The only upset here appears to be that The Donald actually did what everyone else only promised.

What a *******

As for the fanatical, extremist Muslims (as opposed to the hundreds of millions of perfectly lovely, reasonable Muslims, of all shapes, colours and sizes)…. yeah, like they needed an excuse!

deviant – Member
Maybe, just maybe the fanatical Muslims shouldn’t have got quite the hump when the Don recognised Jerusalem as Israel’s capital?….they bring half this crap on themselves with their inability to discuss anything religious in a rational way.
Stuff ‘ em.

I’m some ways the Jerusalem issue is similar to the massive historical tensions in Northern Ireland.

Just like there, hate just breeds more hate until both sides decide things must change.

The trouble is Trumps actions simply feed the likes of ISIS. Which feeds military intervention, which feeds…etc etc. It just goes round and round with civilians being caught in the middle most of the time.

What Trump has done will cost lives. Pure and simple.

Not “just” Muslim but American and British lives too. All lives sacrificed for nothing to placate Trumps utter contempt for any sort of human morality.

It can’t be justified in my opinion.

What Trump has done will cost lives. Pure and simple.

The continued stagnation and refusal to advance the peace process was also costing lives. It’s a false premise to suggest that the status quo was entirely peaceful

Holding off on recognising Jerusalem as the capital hasn’t worked so far has it? Hey, someone’s trying something new, actually doing something, rather than continuing along the same ineffective path of failure.

Perhaps if the Zionist organisational sect of the Jewish religion had not authorised illegal land grabs of Palestinian land we would now be experiencing a tolerable respect throughout the region.

How much Palestinian land do Israeli settlements really eat up

It’s the fanatical Zionists who are hell bent on bringing the Palestinians under subjugation, not the moderate Jewish sect within the government

I thought this was interesting.

https://uk.usembassy.gov/sm-12062017/

It would be different if he was actually trying to help, but it’s all merely trying to look important and distract us from the Russia probe, which seems to be moving along nicely. Basically people are dying because of one man’s delicate ego. Total bawbag.

ninfan – Member
What Trump has done will cost lives. Pure and simple.
The continued stagnation and refusal to advance the peace process was also costing lives. It’s a false premise to suggest that the status quo was entirely peaceful

Absolutely,I am not suggesting the the status quo was even remotely stable.

It’s just that during a house fire you don’t try to put out the flames with petrol.

Hey, someone’s trying something new, actually doing something

So how exactly do you see this helping?

Perhaps if the Zionist organisational sect of the Jewish religion had not authorised illegal land grabs of Palestinian land we would now be experiencing a tolerable respect throughout the region.

Apart from the fact that most of the land originally settled was bought fair and square off the Arabs

It was the attempted illegal land grabs led by neighbouring Arab countries in an attempt, literally, to destroy the state of Israel in 1948, 1967 and 1973 that truly displayed who were the aggressors in this situation

The only upset here appears to be that The Donald actually did what everyone else only promised.

Hasn’t he signed the same six month waiver that all the previous presidents signed?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/after-jerusalem-recognition-trump-signs-waiver-delaying-embassy-move/

truly they do indeed lack your diplomatic insights and thoughtful tone that you seem to reserve only for people who are not white

Furthermore it is indeed irrational of them to object to the seizure of their land by force and the capital being declared din breach of UN rules the seven resoutions and international opinion

The only irrational guff here is from the usual racially motivated suspects and the usual troll who are the only people not appalled by this action which does not serve peace or justice.

Debating with people like you is futile Best of luck Graham

deviant – Member
subjugation of women…

Agree with you 1000% on this one. Its terrible that we live in a world where a man can use things such as language to demean and subjugate women, reducing them to nothing more than objects. Or criticise them in their strive for equality.

And yet its all too common.

Apart from the fact that most of the land originally settled was bought fair and square off the Arabs

Origionally perhaps but dwarfed by the land seizures since

http://19453-presscdn.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/MSNBC_Map_Cropped.jpg

it wasn’t exactly a utopia over there before this move. the media will do anything to wind up the sheeple.

ninfan – Member
There are atrocities being carried out by both sides. Why pick one?
Indeed – so why do you always appear to side with the anti-semites?

I applaud you ninfan for dancing down the line so well. Same as you and the other 2 struggle with the idea of A Muslim vs Some Muslims vs Organisations that contain muslims criticising the policies of the state of Israel is not Anti Semitic (Again you technically didn’t say it was but your implication is there)

rmacattack – Member
it wasn’t exactly a utopia over there before this move. the media will do anything to wind up the sheeple.

Exactly, it wasn’t the best place, it was filled with tension and anger. The best course of action would have been one that was not provocative.

The stance of previous US presidents have been quite clear. They would like to see a time where Jerusalem could be the capital of a peaceful nation, where both sides were treated equally and had a peaceful settlement. Until that happened they could not endorse Jerusalem as the capital.

That seems to be the sensible option all around, make that the reward for accomplishing something.

Trump is a very simple person, he’s like a single core processor from several years ago, his mindset simply does not have the capability to deal with what he’s tasked with.

codybrennan Its terrible that we live in a world where a man can use things such as language to demean and subjugate women, reducing them to nothing more than objects.

And then our society makes that man the President of the United States of America. As Trump has proven, Morality has taken a back seat to Greed, Truth a back seat to Shouting, and Honour has been displaced by Self aggrandisement…

Ninfan posts:

As for the fanatical, extremist Muslims (as opposed to the hundreds of millions of perfectly lovely, reasonable Muslims, of all shapes, colours and sizes)…. yeah, like they needed an excuse!

mikewsmith posts:

Same as you and the other 2 struggle with the idea of A Muslim vs Some Muslims vs Organisations that contain muslims

Now, tell me again why you always seem to side with the people who are not only sworn to the destruction of Israel but in fact say things like:

The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him!

Now, tell me again why you always seem to side with the people who are not only sworn to the destruction of Israel but in fact say things like:

I’m not, I will condemn both sides, do you condemn the violence, invasion and occupation along with settlement building that Israel has done?
This is a situation that violence and military power will not solve, this requires the calming of the situation, removal of a lot of the main problems and in reality an independent oversight.
On top of that one side of this is being held in a state of poverty and being held back while the other manages to maintain a high standard of living, an advanced military and a nuclear weapons program.

I’m not, I will condemn both sides,

You’ll maybe link me to a previous discussion where you Critisise the Palestinians for lobbing rockets and mortars at Israeli civilians then?

They exist, I don’t need to trawl back and find them. Do condemn the actions of Israel (especially those declared illegal by the UN etc.) or are we back to the pathetic Jeremy Corbyn won’t condemn the IRA just all terrorism….

live rounds being shot into protests. GO TRUMP!!!!! he really wants to send some troops somewhere it seems and and after China told him to leave north Korea alone it’s back to camels and blowing up wedding partys.

So I take it from that ninfan can’t condemn the actions of both sides. Certainly explains his position and backs up his anti Muslim stance.

after all the sht storm , they are not going to build it for a few years anyway .

2 dead and many more injured

Trumpers must be very pleased with that result !

cchris2lou – Member
after all the sht storm , they are not going to build it for a few years anyway .

This.

Less a Trump diversion tactic and more a fake-ish news publicity stunt that merely forgot to mention the renewed waiver he seems to have signed.

The converted will lap it up and it will just serve to bolster his awesome 32% approval rating.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/donald-trump-liar-us-president-scientific-study-frequent-malicious-dishonest-white-house-a8099636.html?amp

This popped up on a news feed. Not sure it’s anything else don’t already know but it’s interesting to see it broken down into actual figures and stats.

More dead in Gaza from Israeli air strikes

“The president has lit a fire and left his Arab allies to deal with the blaze,” said Elisabeth Marteu, Consultant Senior Fellow at the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS).
A former UK Special Forces officer, who asked not to be quoted, compared the announcement to “throwing a hand grenade into a room with the pin removed”.

Trump’s fanboys still think this was a good idea?

I don’t care if it’s “fake news” the fact he announced it in the way he did was thoroughly irresponsible at best. My guess is it’s an example of his arrogance and stupidity: proclaiming a “victory” where there was none.

you mean when you announce a building it does not just pop up the next day magically …who did not realise this “fact” ?

so what is the forum contributors view of arlene foster?

More dead in Gaza from Israeli air strikes

Trump’s fanboys still think this was a good idea?

A lot better idea than firing rockets at Israeli civilians it would appear…

So ninfan can you admit both sides are at fault? Both have wronged.