You know you can actually ready the PAPADOPOULOS Statement of Offense online here?

https://www.justice.gov/file/1007346/download

Makes it pretty clear that the “oh he was just some lowly campaign volunteer” defence is weak:

PAPADOPOULOS learned he would be an advisor to the Campaign in early March, and met the professor on or about March 14, 2016; the professor only took interest in defendant PAPADOPOULOS because of his status with the Campaign; and the professor told defendant PAPADOPOULOS about the “thousands of emails” on or about April 26, 2016, when defendant PAPADOPOULOS had been a foreign policy adviser to the Campaign for over a month.
..
PAPADOPOULOS repeatedly sought to use the professor’s Russian connections in an effort to arrange a meeting between the Campaign and Russian government officials
..
Initially, the Professor seemed uninterested in defendant PAPADOPOULOS. However, after defendant PAPADOPOULOS informed the Professor about his joining the Campaign, the Professor appeared to take great interest in defendant PAPADOPOULOS.
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On or about March 31, 2016, defendant PAPADOPOULOS attended a “national
security meeting” in Washington, D.C., with then-candidate Trump and other foreign policy advisors for the Campaign. When defendant PAPADOPOULOS introduced himself to the group, he stated, in sum and substance, that he had connections that could help arrange a meeting between then-candidate Trump and President Putin.
After his trip to Washington, D.C., defendant PAPADOPOULOS worked with the
Professor and the Female Russian National to arrange a meeting between the Campaign and the Russian government, and took steps to advise the Campaign of his progress.

Odd that he would continue to advise the campaign of his progress setting up a meeting when they claim to have declined it.

Why can you not understand this simple distinction ?

Jeremy
Hillary
The EU

https://dc.liveuamap.com/en/2017/30-october-us-district-court-for-dc-has-four-sealed-cases

Interesting. Every case filed at court is given a docket number. Looks like Mueller’s team may have four additional cases lodged with the court in between Papadopoulos and Manafort. It’s possible that someone else nipped into the queue and filed them, of course.

Any nominations? Flynn, presumably.

jagain – Member

Manafort and Gates are facing serious jailtime – like decades.

they’re rich white guys, with connections. Serious jailtime? my cynicism is kicking in…

they will do a plea bargain to get low sentences as Papadoplous has done

10 minutes inside is too long for some of the rich white guys there. I’m guessing they have zero loyalty to the Orange prick once they know he is done. It’s a deal not a relationship.

They are all very aware that Trump will happily throw them under a bus to avoid getting caught, I’m sure they will happily return the favour. The problem Trump has is that all these people have met him and worked with him so know exactly what he’s like.

They are all very aware that Trump will happily throw them under a bus to avoid getting caught, I’m sure they will happily return the favour. The problem Trump has is that all these people have met him and worked with him so know exactly what he’s like.

Trumps so far up his own ego even if he is getting fed slop from the prison canteen it won’t be his fault. What he has done is go from an enviroment where he is God to an accountable world called planet earth and he was sheilded from planet earth from his birth.
He is still a colossal Arse and deserves his comeuppance he won’t go to prison unless it’s for treason as that’s the only thing the alt right will allow the great white hope being sent down for as its so against the murica way.
If Putin is behind all this and I think he maybe the man will go down as one the most astute political players of the last 100 years. He really has pulled an ace from up his sleeve while the west snoozed. Not bad for a thug who was less than remarkable at his job before he got into elected politics.

You have to blame the Internet for all this and the ease of getting news out independently you have to wonder how much has been hidden under layers of press gagging orders in years gone by, trump will not be the only iffy politician that’s ever served in public

Western politics currently making some African politicians look squeaky clean.

Manafort & Gates under house arrest, not prison I believe?

Also interesting that Popadopolous tweeted pic of himself in London few days ago, that pic was taken just before a referendum we had last year, wonder who he was meeting farage, Assange? 😆

Murkier & Murkier

Of course it’s Putin, I forget the name but it stems from a doctrine written in the 70s about sowing social/political discord.

An updated version was written in 2013 https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/09/05/gerasimov-doctrine-russia-foreign-policy-215538

kimbers – Member

Manafort & Gates under house arrest, not prison I believe?

while awaiting trial. If found guilty of the charges they would be looking at long jail sentences

Meanwhile I hope the uk is upping its electronic defence. And where is trump today has someone hid his phone

Surely it can’t be coincidence that jamba and chewy are back at the same time?

I love the double standards of the Americans complaining about election interference despite their own very dirty dealings in other countries democracies.

The cia was first set up to influence the post war italian election so that the communists didnt win

Just a quick thought, but…… the preverbal is starting to hit the fan for Trump and his gang, and the noose is starting to tighten? Well, lets hope so…. but here’s the thing. Trump and his gang like a good diversion in time of perceived crisis…..so……what the hell his he going to do to divert attention away from the current news cycle?

A terrorist attack.

Just saying…

and not that any of this will matter to Trump

Mr. Saipov came to the United States from Uzbekistan in 2010, and had a green card that allowed permanent legal residence. He had apparently lived in Paterson, N.J., and Tampa, Fla. An official said Mr. Saipov rented a truck from a Home Depot in Passaic, N.J., where a white Toyota minivan believed to be his was found parked.

Not from his banned or enhanced check list of countries
Been there for 7 years peacfully

Perhaps another time where the US needs to look inwards not outwards to understand its problems.

Love that pro-trump rallies/flash mobs were actualy organised by russians!

https://www.thedailybeast.com/russians-appear-to-use-facebook-to-push-pro-trump-flash-mobs-in-florida

You know I think a beer with Vlad could be quite interesting, he certainly seems to have a sense of humour.
If the objective was the nullify and disrupt the US it’s working a treat.

its a win win for vlad what he wants to do is to destroy the confidence in the system/faith in the US and that has been achieved whether trump colluded or not.
With trump in power he also has the added bonus of the west being divided and trump isolating the US more – both through choice in terms of protectionism and just because no one wants to cosy up to him as he is odious.

Its quite clever [ Machiavellian] to use democracy against democracy and sow the seeds of dissent and distrust. They have done it very very well.

Surprised FB is getting away with all of this – apart from here i dont do social media but they seem to be complicit in it all
I worry when folk get all their ” news” from the internet its an echo chamber of confirmation bias propped up by fake news and not at all fact based.

In our defence we didn’t think you were thick enough for this to work, says Russia

😆

getting closer to Trump

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/02/politics/sam-clovis-department-of-agriculture/index.html

Greek media reporting that papadoplous worked for Trump for much longer than Trump claims

Well seems like he is back in the sexual harrassment/abuse game too
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/01/us/politics/trumps-female-accusers-feel-forgotten-a-lawsuit-may-change-that.html
I hope they get what they want in that one. Death by a thousand cuts seems to be the best approach

Sessions feeling the heat today

Former twitter employee (on their last day) deleted his account for 11, glorious, minutes.

Ensures he never has to buy another drink in a pub/bar ever again

Trump’s denial that he knows nothing about Russia contact’s at odds with Papadopoulos testimony- that he wanted to set up Russia deal- at the Trump towers meeting, also backed up by others present.

Trump’s denial that he knows nothing about Russia contact’s at odds with Papadopoulos testimony- that he wanted to set up Russia deal- at the Trump towers meeting, also backed up by others present.

The biggest thing about all these populist politicians, is that they actually don’t give a flying **** about how “great” their respective country’s could be, they don’t care about education or health care or even the actual standard of living, they would rather cripple those who they are compared to rather than do the real work make their own country’s better. They would rather win a 15 second race than come second in a 10 second race.

Yep the guy with ‘one of the greatest memories’ suddenly can’t remember what was discussed in that meeting..

Former twitter employee (on their last day) deleted his account for 11, glorious, minutes.

If only…

Secret Service agent on final day deletes Trump

Sessions is toast. 2 sets of evidence given under oath contradicting each other

Must be very worrying times in the Whitehouse, everyone of them will have taken a bribe somewhere, not least trump himself who’s had decades in the corrupt NY property business, not to mention his dubious foreign ventures.

And then there’s the ones that may have taken cash or info on Hillary from the Russians….

Would love Manafort to see some proper jail time,not just to make the rest of them sweat but he’s douchebag

Trumps well toasted….

The amount of detail in the indictments showing the money movements and shell companies etc sorta shows they are really digging into the detail.

Should be very interesting reading when Trumps details get released to the public.

Good timing as well as he’s on his tour ,

bet he’s really enjoying this, I don’t think I’d get under the spotlight of politics if I had any skeletons in my cupboard but hey ho these people seem to be strangely naive or arrogant.

How much did Putin spend to get Trump into power?
[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZgWzz5TG8g[/video]

then of course… the remix
[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeqEC66E7hk[/video]

Meuller has Trumps tax returns 😆

https://www.ft.com/content/b44507f8-c08e-11e7-9836-b25f8adaa111

This week Mr Trump said that he barely knew Mr Manafort before he became his campaign manager. In fact, they were introduced in 1979 by Roy Cohn, the legendary New York lawyer, who was Mr Trump’s mentor, and who represented the city’s largest mafia figures, including John Gotti and Anthony “Fat Tony” Salerno. Mr Trump used Salerno’s construction company, S & A Concrete, to build many of his towers. When Mr Manafort set up his lobbying firm in 1980, Mr Trump was his first client. The firm’s first job was to lobby Atlantic City to dredge its waterway to accommodate Mr Trump’s yacht, the Trump Princess.

Mr Cohn, who was disbarred from practising law for witness tampering and perjury, introduced Mr Trump to Rupert Murdoch in the 1970s. Mr Murdoch’s media outlets are now relentlessly casting doubt on Mr Mueller’s objectivity. In an ironic twist, it was Mr Mueller who led the FBI investigation that resulted in the conviction of John Gotti in 1992, which remains the largest mafia scalp in history.

America and the world are watching the Mueller probe unfold with the fascination viewers once held for weekly episodes of The Sopranos. In his indictment, it was alleged that Mr Manafort used methods reminiscent of organised crime to launder his money. For example, he spent almost $1.4m on clothes and another $934,000 on antique carpets. Even Mr Manafort’s pompadour hairstyle fits the bill. “Sophisticated Russian and Chinese buyers use limited liability companies to disguise their names and convert their cash into property,” said a New York lawyer. “The mob prefers to keep their assets liquid by buying cars, clothes and the like.”

Roy Cohn in 1964. The legendary New York lawyer introduced Donald Trump to Paul Manafort in 1979
In the coming weeks, we will learn a great deal more about how Mr Trump has handled his money. Mr Mueller is already thought to be sifting through Mr Trump’s tax records, which he has refused to disclose. He is also looking at the finances of Jared Kushner, Mr Trump’s son-in-law, whose declared net worth — together with his wife — is at least $241m. His father, Charlie Kushner, was jailed in 2005 for witness tampering and tax evasion.

Mr Mueller’s probe is as tentacular as Mr Trump’s business history. Whether he can prove Mr Trump directly colluded with Russia — let alone submit a charge sheet for impeachment — is secondary at this point. The world is being offered an X-ray vision of Mr Trump’s circle that tarnishes America’s values. “From China or Russia’s point of view, the Mueller probe is the gift that keeps on giving,” said the former Bush official.

And his administration keeps getting more stupid
New chairman of Trump EPA science board says air quality in the US is too clean

Another member of Trump’s campaign changing his story on meeting Russians