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  • Dog Attack on Sheep :-( **Warning Not Pretty Pix **
  • anagallis_arvensis
    Full Member

    A local farmer when I was about 15 threatened to shoot my dog and waved his shot gun in our general direction even though the dog was on a lead. He never did it again after a few people had a quiet word.
    I can also report that if a farmer shot my dog I would be very tempted to rip his head off, however its very unlikely to ever happen as I’m a responsible dog owner

    taka
    Free Member

    if a dog is off a lead on private land where it poses a threat to livestock the farmer has ever right to shoot it ive had i happen a few times with stray lurcher’s on my land theres no excuse for dogs to be out of control running about killing livestock

    anagallis_arvensis
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    taka, very true. As I have said in this type of thread before the vast majority of farmers I know would not shoot a dog unless it was a repeat offender or they had no choice.

    Oh and you shouldnt confuse a code with a law

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    Andy
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    I believe my dog can walk past sheep and cahs and not bother them (she has done this in the past when encountered unexpectedly). I’m really pretty sure about this. I cant guarantee it though. So she goes on the lead. I’m happier knowing there is no risk, and because of that she is happier.

    big_n_daft
    Free Member

    So I’d be in favour of fining dog owners heavily if their animal killed a lamb, or indeed even attacked them. But to shoot a dog for this? I suppose if you can’t track the owner, there’s a lot of damage etc, then there may be no choice. But there are any number of cases where a farmer has shot a dog in full view of the owner, which gains the farmer nothing other than allowing them to prove how tough they are.

    I would suggest they have every right to shoot your dog and sue for economic loss. That’s if they could find you, as dog owners never do a runner do they

    http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/news/8158106.Dog_attack_victim_speaks_out/

    http://www.times-series.co.uk/your_local_areas/8111487.Terrified_sister_protects_brother__6__against_crazed_dog_attack/

    http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/8312171.Owner___s_horror_as_another_Staffie_attacks_dog_in_park/

    etc, etc, etc

    and of course the best one (but not for the victimn or family, hope she recovers fully) even a professional can’t keep control of their dog

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1263932/Girl-4-attacked-police-dog-plays-park.html

    Junkyard
    Free Member

    I’m happier knowing there is no risk, and because of that she is happier.

    what an excellent and well developed sense of empathy your dog has …you are very lucky

    Andy
    Full Member

    I know junkyard, most dogs have no idea how their owner is feeling. 🙄

    LHS
    Free Member

    Haven’t read the whole thread so may be repeating what has already been said – as a dog owner myself this kinda thing is completly unacceptable. If my dog killed livestock like this then I would fully expect the worst from the farmer. That is why my dog is never off-leash around sheep, cows and horses. Whilst he is extremely obedient and comes immediatly when called, i just don’t risk it. Not sure he would be capable of something like that though, he would chase them and piss them off at most – which is still completly unacceptable.

    Steve-Austin
    Free Member

    I would be very tempted to rip his head off

    good luck with that, i should imagine its very hard to rip another humans head off.

    dandelionandmurdoch
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    It is absolutely beyond my ability to resist trolling this thread:

    Blimey, that’s pretty horrific, and no way for a dog to be allowed to behave, however, if you honestly believe that the commercial use of animals doesn’t see far greater cruelty, suffering and subjective horror on a minute-by-minute basis then you are, in my sub-bridge-dwelling view, rather tragically deluded.

    taka
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    dandelionandmurdoch – Member
    It is absolutely beyond my ability to resist trolling this thread:

    Blimey, that’s pretty horrific, and no way for a dog to be allowed to behave, however, if you honestly believe that the commercial use of animals doesn’t see far greater cruelty, suffering and subjective horror on a minute-by-minute basis then you are, in my sub-bridge-dwelling view, rather tragically deluded.

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    Have you ever been on a farm an seen the living conditions of the animals right through to the slaughter process? there are a very small number of farms where the animals are kept in cruel conditions and there mainly in america because of consumer demand.

    Northwind
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    Steve-Austin – Member
    “good luck with that, i should imagine its very hard to rip another humans head off.”

    It is, that’s why I was practicing on that sheep

    dandelionandmurdoch
    Free Member

    Have you ever been on a farm an seen the living conditions of the animals

    Oh yes.

    right through to the slaughter process?

    Admittedly, no.

    I certainly saw enough, at different farms, to marvel at the industrious of it. Even on rather small-scale farms the animals are kept in the most efficient way possible – which is more often than not not the most humane, comfortable and stimulating manner the animals could live in.

    Even having seen these farms, we need to remember that most of the animal products we consume come from far, far away, as our wallets demand. You The animals get what you pay for – you don’t pays a lot: they don’t gets a lot, in the way of humane treatment.

    Oh balls, this has got beyond mere trolling now! I’m sorry indeed for diverting the course of this thread, but I am simply unable to understand the killing of sentient things just to provide us with food.

    taka
    Free Member

    are you a vegetable? 😆

    dandelionandmurdoch
    Free Member

    What is this, twenty questions…? 😉

    taka
    Free Member

    yeh you better be ready to be up all night 😉

    I am simply unable to understand the killing of sentient things just to provide us with food

    that last bit makes you sound like a vegetarian

    ourkidsam
    Free Member

    Yeah but bacon tastes good. Pork chops taste good.

    dandelionandmurdoch
    Free Member

    Mwhahahahaha, nope, not vegetarian, even ‘worse’…

    Now my bias is obvious, and we should perhaps leave it at that.

    EDIT: and pigs have personality!

    anagallis_arvensis
    Full Member

    good luck with that, i should imagine its very hard to rip another humans head off.”

    It is, that’s why I was practicing on that sheep

    😆 😆

    The main reason farmers dont often shoot dogs is because it is easier to get compensation from most owners if you havent just shot their dog. That and most farmers like dogs too I suppose.
    Gamekeepers are often a breed apart mind.

    ditch_jockey
    Free Member

    The world would be a better place if dog owners used leads to control their dogs when appropriate, and all children under about 16 were banned from restaurants.

    Junkyard
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    I know junkyard, most dogs have no idea how their owner is feeling.

    Your claim is a little more than suggesting it can tell how you feel apparently it can detect your inner states and be happy when you are happy as well. That would be impressive for a human never mind a dog.
    You are anthropomorphising and giving the dog emotional/intuitive/empathetic abilities it does not have

    ski
    Free Member

    anagallis_arvensis – Member

    A local farmer when I was about 15 threatened to shoot my dog and waved his shot gun in our general direction

    Most the farmers I have worked for in the past has never needed a gun to threaten anyone, their fists were leathal enough 😉

    & yes I have had a 12 bore pointed up my nose by a hot headed farmer in the past, anagallis_arvensis I know how you felt, not funny at the time!

    Only ever heard of one dog that has been shot by a farmer, tbh most farmers could not shoot the skin off a rice pudding let alone dispatch a dog cleanly!

    Have in the past asked a dog owner to put a dog on a lead during the lambing season, never been a problem, dog owners seem to understand how the countryside works round these parts.

    Foxes on the other hand! I have seen them eat a ewe from the inside out, while trying to give birth! Not nice!

    and all children under about 16 were banned from restaurants.

    Perhaps you should go and find your own exclusive restaurant late at night, so you won’t be bothered by them. Or should we just stop feeding kids?

    Mebbe you were joking though?

    ditch_jockey
    Free Member

    Mebbe you were joking though?

    That was what counts for a subtle dig in D_J World at people who use the “won’t somebody think of the children” approach as a blanket response to dogs in public places. Small children who run about restaurants screaming annoy the living crap out of me – I don’t see poor parenting as any better than poor dog ownership (they both need pretty much the same skill set at the end of the day).

    In practice, I don’t regard a municipal park as an appropriate place to exercise a dog, whether on the lead or off. I wouldn’t own a dog if I didn’t live in an appropriate environment – we are fortunate to live across an access road from the ‘countryside’, so I can walk the dogs off the lead from our gate. They go on the lead near livestock, get called in when I see bikes or horses on the main trails, and the rest of the time they are off the lead but under control. I see all this as responsible dog ownership, but I don’t consider it appropriate to allow other people’s phobias, whether about dogs or anything else, to shape what the rest of us consider normal activity.

    I also really like kids – so much so that I spend 3 nights a wee, and several weekends throughout the year, voluntarily working with other people’s offspring. We also take the collies – kids and dogs are a great combo as long as they are both well socialised.

    Junkyard
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    they both need pretty much the same skill set at the end of the day

    apparently you cannot walk them inpublic on a lead nor rub their faces in their mess.. the social worker do gooders told me this

    I don’t regard a municipal park as an appropriate place to exercise a dog, whether on the lead or off

    Don’t see why not most dogs I see in parks are far better behaved than the kids I see in parks and they are all supervised by their owners

    big_n_daft
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    Don’t see why not most dogs I see in parks are far better behaved than the kids I see in parks and they are all supervised by their owners

    so they curl one out on the path and walk off in your area?

    why do kids in parks need to be supervised? surely it should be a safe play? or are the parents worried about other park users?

    woffle
    Free Member

    or are the parents worried about other park users?

    this. Parenthood = worry on a scale you never knew existed prior to their arrival.

    ditch_jockey
    Free Member

    pparently you cannot walk them inpublic on a lead

    Interestingly, when my sister and I were clearing out our parents’ house last year, we found several (black and white) pictures of me wearing a set of what can only be described as ‘reins’ as I toddle along the road with my mum. I guess the do-gooders have nixed this practice as well!

    municipal park

    I don’t think I worded that very well, as I am thinking strictly of in-town green spaces. We quite often use our local ‘country park’ for dog walking. I should also have been clearer that I meant “I don’t fancy the hassle”, rather than “I don’t think anyone should do it”.

    As an aside, while not enough dog owners pick up their dog’s crap, on the rare occasions I’ve seen parents toileting their children al fresco, they’ve always just left it there, tissues and all. Don’t get me started about the grotesque practice of ‘nappy flinging’ around the high flats in Glasgow.

    big_n_daft
    Free Member

    this. Parenthood = worry on a scale you never knew existed prior to their arrival.

    not helped by the OAP woman who exercises a mastiff (must be twice her weight), or the bloke with three large mastiff/ pit bull types all off the lead at our local park dog toilet, when you are teaching the 4 year old to ride her bike

    konaboy2275
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    On a unrelated note, why are orthodox Jews so terified of dogs? The kids run screaming from our cocker spaniel when we take it out in the park on a Saturday…

    BigButSlimmerBloke
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    maybe the smell of bacon masks the small of lamb so dogs don’t chase us. unprotected by porcine aroma, jews are totally irresistable to slavering hounds?

    anagallis_arvensis
    Full Member

    I was walking my dog a while back and she was having a good run round the park with a large male Staffie cross. All good they were playing nicely enough, until that is a semingly unsupervised male American Bulldog came running over puffing out its chest I called my dog away as two male’s of that type and a female is going to end in tears. The lady with the Staffie went to separate them and I went to help. It was obviously about to kick off and so it did. At this point the owner of the American Bulldog could be seen shouting at his maybe 8 year old kid to go get the dog. So two big powerful dogs fighting and the owner sends his kid to go get it!!! At this point the lady was screaming her older staffie was taking a pasting and an 8 year old was running over!! I let my dog off at this point, shes very fast and very stupid and was able to get the attacking dog to chase her. The lady got away with her dog and I called Kea away.

    Then the best bit, kid gets dog and dad takes it into the fenced off no dogs allowed swings area so he can carry on doing whatever the hell he was up to and his dog would only be free to eat children wanting to play on the swings!!!

    redthunder
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    @anagallis_arvensis

    🙁 No hope.

    sharki
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    Whilst walking the coast path in North Devon i saw a sheep, it was cast so i went into the field to get it back on it’s feet therefore saving it’s life.

    It was however pecked by birds, it’s face covered in blood, blinded and suffering, it also was in lamb.

    I make the choice to kill it and cease it’s suffering. I watched it pass away and then went in search of the farmer to tell him.

    Did he shoot me?
    Nope, his wife made me a breakfast and pack lunch for the day..

    In the case of dogs running loose near livestock.
    It’s down to the responsibility of the dog owners to ensure the safety of any living thing around it, whether that’s livestock, people of other dogs and cats. The moment they make it a pet, they become responsible for all it’s actions, that includes messing, chasing, killing, etc.

    If your pet causes stress to another animal one or both of you should be treated in away to make you a better pet owner. If the dog is on a farmers land and get shot for distressing livestock and gets shot, perhaps that lesson will make you a more careful and responsible owner.

    We are all wild animals at heart and every now and again we all show our natural traits in many ways. A dog is no different, it’s natural to want to chase and kill and can do so with very little warning.

    If it’s done it once it WILL do it again. I’m quite confident of that.

    Andy
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    Junkyard – Member

    Your claim is a little more than suggesting it can tell how you feel apparently it can detect your inner states and be happy when you are happy as well. That would be impressive for a human never mind a dog.
    You are anthropomorphising and giving the dog emotional/intuitive/empathetic abilities it does not have

    Where did I say all that??

    A dog, as a pack animal, will sense its owners basic emotions. eg Agressive owner = aggressive dog. Relaxed owner = relaxed dog. Hence the saying no such thing as bad dogs, just bad owners. Thats not anthropomorphising, thats actually completely the opposite; basic knowledge of dogs.

    And thats also not to say the how the owner feels is the only thing that will govern a dogs instincts (EDIT eg a stronger hunting instinct around potential prey ie livestock), its just a contributing factor.

    Anyway poor troll distracting from the main point of my post. A dog near livestock goes on the lead, or the owner should be prepared for the consequences. End of. And actually well done to the OP putting this post up to remind people.

    godzilla
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    I cursed this thread today, i knew it would happen. I got a call to go find a mastiff in a field in the middle of nowhere when i got there i found a very angry mastiff cross that was running round a field the size of two football pitch right next to a field with 50 or sheep in, the dog was probably 12 stone and could have killed the lot in no time. We never got the dog as it did one into some woods and it got dark so im dreading work tomorrow
    While trying in vain to catch the thing, a farmers wife pulls up and asks if i want it shooting and tells me in no uncertain terms that if it comes near her farm that its getting shot.

    I dont buy that “No such thing as bad dogs it only bad owners” thing, you get bad dogs like you get bad people. What with inbreeding and eugenics, surely its has an effect on mental stability.
    Just my opinion.

    aracer
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    Don’t see why not most dogs I see in parks are far better behaved than the kids I see in parks and they are all supervised by their owners

    I’ve never had a small child bite me in a park. Of course the dog which did was being “supervised” by it’s owner – she was busy shouting at it to leave me alone.

    Andy
    Full Member

    I dont buy that “No such thing as bad dogs it only bad owners” thing, you get bad dogs like you get bad people. What with inbreeding and eugenics, surely its has an effect on mental stability.
    Just my opinion

    Probably fair comment actually.

    I’d still say it applies in the majority of cases though.

    I’ve said this before, but when I was a kid, dogs roamed the streets freely. I don’t remember getting killed by one.

    Maybe we should re-introduce freedom to dogs – it might address our immigration problems somewhat more effectively than any current measures.

    user-removed
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    konaboy2275 – Member
    On a unrelated note, why are orthodox Jews so terified of dogs? The kids run screaming from our cocker spaniel when we take it out in the park on a Saturday…

    Didn’t realise it was a cultural thing but can well believe it. I was taking photos with a large format camera on a tripod several years ago. My dog was sitting bored out of his mind waiting for the walk to re-commence.

    A wee orthtodox Jewish lad suddenly jumped onto the wall behind me, saw my dog and ran screaming. He fell over at the bottom of the hill and scraped his face up on the gravel path.

    I went down to see what the fuss was about and the whole family (of about six) were cowering behind Dad, who was looking distinctly green about the gills himself. He shouted that my dog should be on a lead (the dog was still sitting next to my tripod looking bored) and that all dogs were crazed beasts with bloodlust in their eyes – that’s almost a verbatim quote.

    I called my dog and suggested that the children could give him a pat / dog biscuit – cue more terrified screaming. At this point the National Trust Nazi arrived on his little Shriner-car and started reading the riot act. I made my excuses and left.

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