As far as Dub step I’d much rather the UK yoot were creating their own sound rather than imitating the lame mainstream hip hop coming out of the US.

We already did that with D’n’B. Quite why someone thought to take the fun bits out of that genre (the energy, the build-ups) and replace them with something that sounds like it was made for ketamine-addled crusties to wobble about to like they’ve shat their pants is beyond me.

Come to think of it, I’m not a big fan of rape gaze either.

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I absolutely love jazz. In fact the more angular and noisy the better! But I love all aspects of jazz from bebop, soul jazz, jazz rock, free jazz, fusion etc. The only jazz I don’t like is wasshername… Elvis Costello’s wife. Reminds me of Starbucks(not that I ever go there!)
Oh, and I also like dubstep.

Über-niche trolling, binners. Nice.

Love Jazz.

Some of the older Glenn Miller / Big Band isn’t to my taste – nor is the totally way-out avant garde.

I think a lot of people listen to jazz on “lo-fi” equipment .. Home radios / in shops. I couldn’t enjoy jazz until i got a half-decent hifi – then it sort of fell into place … The delicate balance of rhythms and percussion is usually obliterated by a skwarky saxaphone on anything else … I find jazz is all about the ‘sound’ of the instruments, the texture and the interplay between musicians… You can’t get that on a 59.99 argos special ‘hifi’.

(I’m not advocating audiophoolery – but even a 400 quid system would be a thousand times better than that bush in the kitchen)

How could someone dislike this …

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiQ0uyqySBg[/video]

How could someone dislike this …

If it’s not to their taste.

Nope.

My Grandad once made me listen to some of his old Jazz records….Thanks Grandad

I fear jazz. Also, it would seem that my stereo isn’t expensive enough. That ain’t gonna change anytime soon. I’m sure it’s a great thing, but other things are going to claim my time before jazz does. 🙂

Jazz. This is a small word covering everything from Sarah Vaughn to The Manhattan Project. I like some especially the “modern jazz” stuff like Dave Sanborne but the Dixieland stuff makes my anvils bleed

I like it, I listen to it and I play it. particularly dislike Dixie jazz, and I do particularly like acid jazz.

Laughing @

Dave Sanborne but the Dixieland stuff makes my anvils bleed

I must admit, alot of the contemporary new wave stuff can be quite nauseating, but in general Jazz is bloody awesome. There is such a broad range of types of Jazz to be enjoyed – I truly believe there is something for everyone. From the classic Jazz genuises such as Charlie Parker or Coltrane to the real showstopping performers like Louis Armstrong and Ella Fitzgerald.

One of my favourite places in the world is the Jazz Bar in Edinburgh, which plays live music 7 days a week, what a gift.

some of it is good but as a genre it does not float my boat

Me I like some of it.

From about ’58 until early 70’s. Miles, Trane, Rollins, Mingus, Jimmy Smith, Donald Byrd, Herbie Hancock that kind of thing. Pretty much if its blues based and veering towards atonal. Ironically ‘modern jazz’ but its not really modern now is it? Only real jazz gig I’ve seen was Elvin Jones (Coltrane’s old drummer) at Ronnie Scotts. Mind blowingly good…

Can’t stand the ‘real’ modern jazz these days though.

Hey ho…

The jazz trance scene is probably my favourite Mighty Boosh moment.

I love this, too – even given a record cover that looks like it was dreamt up by CFH.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReSHIIrIx1g[/video]

We already did that with D’n’B. Quite why someone thought to take the fun bits out of that genre (the energy, the build-ups) and replace them with something that sounds like it was made for ketamine-addled crusties to wobble about to like they’ve shat their pants is beyond me.

This.

Quite an amusing post on another forum, on a similar topic….

The thing that particularly gets to me is the weird smug face that middle-class white people make when a dubstep record drops and starts playing screechy clown synths. It seems to say “OH SHIT I’m an intense badman because I can appreciate this tough urban bass music” but really it’s just the human equivalent of the face a dog does when it’s taking a painful dump.

Both the DJs and the crowd do it, it’s like they’re collectively proud of hideous wobble, like it’s some hard, ugly baby they’ve given birth to or something.

😀

Oh, and I like jazz – sorry.

Lots of Jazz is rubbish. Some is brilliant. Like all genres. Except metal. Shall I get my coat?

Elvin Jones is a badass – love his playing on Pharoah Sanders’ “Rejoice”, think he was in his 60s when it was recorded too.

Know what you mean about the dearth of good new jazz records but they’re still out there. The Lloyd Miller and the Heliocentrics LP from last year is up there with the best of them.

I have to say, I listen to my records through 15 year old Wharfedale speakers and they still sound pretty good. The cable’s aren’t even directional. I guess I’ve just got super-ears or something…

Miles Davis ‘Kind of Blue’ is fantastic, as recommended by Mr Woppit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3rjNHDi6Fg

No! Went once to the Jazz Cafe in Newcastle, sounded like five or six individuals playing in different rooms all piped into one speaker. Pretentious Sh!te. And the Beer was more expensive than it said on the CAN. “How can you complain about the price of the beer when the music is so good” said a ****t from the next table.

…ahem!

Johnny hates it.

I studied jazz arranging and composition at university and I’m still gigging jazz and other stuff, so I can state with some authority that there is a lot of excruciatingly bad jazz out there

and yet there is some brilliant stuff too, like Kind of Blue, like the theme de YoYo, try A go go by John Schofield or Belonging by Keith Jarrett

more importantly go and see it live and listen intently

Check out Charlie Mingus, sublime. I saw Abdullah Ibahim when he was Dollar Brand at Manchester’s Hole in the Wall, he was ace.

tankoo

Miles and miles of Miles, please!

A lot of this stuff’s cool, some is self-indulgent noodling (you’re right), but normally a combination of the riff, the groove and less-is-more solos produce some of the best music (of any genre) from the last 100 years anywhere on earth.

A lot of this stuff’s cool, some is self-indulgent noodling…

All music is self indulgent, that’s the whole point of it. People generally don’t mind when they can tap their foot and ‘relate’; but take it somewhere they can’t do that and suddenly they get all offended. It’s rarely easy for people to admit to being ignorant, rather they prefer to label as ‘shit’ something they simply don’t/can’t understand. Taste aside, learning to just listen and experience is all they need to do.

Two pages of links and no-one has mentioned Acoustic Ladyland or Polar Bear? You are out of your minds…

Best new Jazz Musician of the Year, Best new Jazz band of the year

^^That’s them on Jules Holland^^ The beautiful blend of grindcore, jazz and classically trained musicians with endless imagination. Went to school with the drummer (Seb Rochford) and even managed to get him to play in our band for a short time (he looked bored throughout, understandably).

i like that Acoustic Ladyland business! Jazz is on the list of things to have a stab at, as mentioned earlier though it’s a massive genre to dive into – a bit daunting. will be saving this thread as a guide though for when i’ve finished exploring the krautrock, electro and industrial marvels of germany (my spring project).

On the dubstep note, i saw Magnetic Man on that recent NME tour. It was a strange thing to watch, when they dropped into drum ‘n’ bass-y territory they got more engaging – but i got the impression that kind of genre might better be paired up for touring with “experimental metal” chaps like [video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcZlKwbvgCE[/video] rather than ostensibly boogie to-able (kind of) stuff like crystal castles.

from my meagre experience – some stuff with lots of stuff including jazzy stuff:
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXRBCMl3ueg[/video]

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sL0tYowbIxE[/video]

I’d much rather the UK yoot were creating their own sound rather than imitating the lame mainstream hip hop coming out of the US

This is total nonsense. Dubstep sounds nothing like mainstream US hiphop. Eeh, you’ve got cloth ears, lad.

^i’d read that statement the other way round – as in “better dubstep than rehashing mainstream hip-hop”. god knows though, i’m too tired for clear thinking.

^i’d read that statement the other way round – as in “better dubstep than rehashing mainstream hip-hop”.

Ahhh, you’re absolutely right, that makes perfect sense and I apologise for suggesting rewski’s ears are of a textile nature.
😳

Let me come inside of you

To be fair the Mighty Boosh don’t exactly go soft on punk either. Or electro.

Have we discussed jazz poetry yet? Ken Nordine is a particular favourite.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-MFQRhKq9I[/video]

Someone has posted a comment on one of his Youtube videos calling him a “bloody genius”. His response was “Thanks. I persist.”

spasmic gherkin – You understand my point perfectly
Konabunny – thank you for correcting yourself

I really do think the UK is leading the way, whether it’s Dub Step, Grime, Dub Techno, Hip Hop – loving Actress.
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Two pages of links and no-one has mentioned Acoustic Ladyland

I posted their Sport Mode video in a music thread a short while ago. If you like the more bonkers stuff they do, check out Trio VD. This is the main project for Chris, the guy who plays guitar for AL in the Sport Mode era. Perhaps more mathematical than I’d normally listen to; but, hey, it’s good to challenge the ears sometimes.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRL895C0fHM&feature=related[/video]

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxP0cf1bpTM[/video]

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmhP1RgbrrY[/video]

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Miles Davis – Kind of Blue

I NEVER get tired of listening to this