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  • do you think iran will be invaded ?
  • grum
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    Def some interesting stuff on that site but some of it is a bit tinfoil-hattish.

    Not sure if it’s in ernie’s list but the Americans shot down an Iranian passenger jet in 1988, over Iranian airspace. 290 killed. Remind me who the bad guys are again?

    Wonder how it would go down if Iran did that?

    wrecker
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    Remind me who the bad guys are again?

    They/we all are.

    grum
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    I’m just suggesting that the attempts to portray Iran as the aggressor/bogeyman in this situation are extremely misleading and hypocritical. We are sending warships there to threaten them FFS. People like Woppit seem to have bought it hook line and sinker though.

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    flippinheckler
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    Russia seems to think the Americans will be responsible for WW3

    http://english.pravda.ru/hotspots/conflicts/10-01-2012/120194-world_war_three-0/

    ernie_lynch
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    They/we all are.

    Not really. Under international law the belligerent states or nations are the bad guys, not states or nations which are defending themselves. So by definition it can’t include all parties.

    ernie_lynch
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    Russia seems to think the Americans will be responsible for WW3

    I’m not sure why you think an article by a journalist in the Georgia Times signifies what Russia thinks – would an article by a journalist in the Daily Mail signify what Britain thinks ?

    The point about China’s dependency on Iranian oil is a valid one, and one which the US undoubtedly takes into account. Not simply because of military considerations but because the West, including the US, desperately needs China to help them deal with the economic mess it finds itself in.

    wrecker
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    So Iran isn’t belligerent? 😆
    Irans not flouting international law? 😆

    ernie_lynch
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    Eh ? I didn’t say anything about flouting international law. I gave a definition of who are “the bad guys”. If you think Iran is belligerent then I guess they are the bad guys. But both sides can’t be the bad guys, as you suggested.

    iDave
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    If the UK goes into Iran I’ll burn my UK passport. That’ll teach them.

    wrecker
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    Why on earth not? We’re not talking about good vs evil here, these things aren’t black and white.
    The Iranian govt could not be described as “good guys” and neither could the Americans.

    TandemJeremy
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    wrecker – Member

    So Iran isn’t belligerent?
    Irans not flouting international law?

    Right – when did the Iranians do any military stuff outside of their country? Belligerent how?

    What international law are they breaking?

    ernie_lynch
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    Why on earth not?

    In a war situation it is usually accepted that both sides can’t be the bad guys……….I’m not sure I’ve ever heard both sides being described as the belligerents.

    Why no more laughing emoticons btw ? …… two in one post now none 🙁

    loum
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    loum
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    TBH, in a war situation the “Bad guys” and the “Good guys” are usually determined after the conclusion. History is written by the victor.

    ernie_lynch
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    History is written by the victor.

    Never a truer word spoken.

    wrecker
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    In a war situation it is usually accepted that both sides can’t be the bad guys.

    I wholeheartedly disagree. I’d say that it’s more uncommon to have a clear “good guy” in war.

    Why no more laughing emoticons btw

    Your other post was much funnier.

    TJ, actually. I can’t be bothered.

    ernie_lynch
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    Your other post was much funnier.

    I’m slacking ? 😐

    Lawmanmx
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    Right – when did the Iranians do any military stuff outside of their country? Belligerent how?

    What international law are they breaking?

    None …. but the yanks and uk have decided its Their turn! syria and korea to follow.

    GEDA
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    The strangest thing is that all the right wing American politicians bang on about cutting taxes and a smaller state yet many of them want to start another really expensive war.

    TooTall
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    But have a butchers at this list to see examples of US armed forces involvement in the last 120 years.

    What on earth does that list add to this discussion? You have seen what British troops have been involved in haven’t you?

    We are sending warships there to threaten them FFS

    No we are not / did not. Iran threeatens to close international shipping lane. International navies sail through international waters to hint that those threatening should not talk smack.

    There are some proper tin-hat wearers in this thread aren’t there?

    atlaz
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    Klunk – Member
    Ok, I’ll counter you with secret American warplane involvement in the 6 day war with Egypt…

    Not that secret really when there are documentaries including interviews with the pilots 🙂

    ernie_lynch
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    What on earth does that list add to this discussion?

    It was in response to hora’s question “Can we list them?” ………. you sound as if you have a problem with it – have you ? I’m sure most Americans are very proud of both their history, and their armed forces, and would look at that list with glowing pride – why wouldn’t they ? Are you saying American intervention is a “bad thing” ?

    And BTW, what did your post add to this discussion ? Or was your comment directed at me purely based on a desire to maintain censorship over issues which make you feel awkward ?

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    You have seen what British troops have been involved in haven’t you?

    No, go on then…….list them.

    konabunny
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    The interesting thing is how much of the worlds s**t that America is trying to “clean up” was actually caused by the USA and us in the past.

    Saddam – Tick
    Afghanistan – Tick
    Iran – Tick

    That’s a very narrow way of looking at the world. Where is the agency of the actors that are not the US and UK, for example?

    Lawmanmx
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    Gaddaffi – tick

    konabunny
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    Glenn Hoddle’s ill-advised singing career – tick
    New Coke – tick
    The Fall of Nineveh – tick

    rossi46
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    Russia seems to think the Americans will be responsible for WW3

    I like the way the author of this article seems to think that it is known which date the war will start. How can anyone possibly know that.
    And it all looks like it is accepted that there is going to be a war, whoever starts it. Thats a bad sign- looks like we are standing on the edge of an abyss. Who’s going to push us?

    The sentence ‘Israel will strike Iran and strike something unexpected/ nuclear underground possibly with US backing thus starting WW3’ is a very common quote when looking up 2012 predictions. The internet is todays weapon of propaganda, looks like that war has already been won. At least here in the West anyway….

    TooTall
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    No, go on then…….list them.

    You can access Wiki and Small Wars as well as I can. I’d suggest that anything in the American list on their mainland would be classed as MACP so the Gloucestershire floods and digging grannies out of snow drifts (and battering Liverpudlian rioters) would be on that list for British forces.

    I mentioned it as showing the list of what one country has been involved with internationally, when we have done so much to so many, was needing a bit of context as the Brits are as bad.

    grum
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    No we are not / did not. Iran threeatens to close international shipping lane. International navies sail through international waters to hint that those threatening should not talk smack.

    There are some proper tin-hat wearers in this thread aren’t there?

    So you really don’t think there is a thinly veiled threat in sending warships there? You also don’t think the ‘threat’ from Iran is being massively overhyped/exaggerated?

    Does no-one remember the Iraq war? It wasn’t really all that long ago.

    loum
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    Next we’ll be told that the Iranians have “weapons of mass destruction”.

    rossi46
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    Does no-one remember the Iraq war? It wasn’t really all that long ago.

    [video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRqwjVNBWEo[/video]

    Anyone sense De Ja Vu?

    TandemJeremy
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    So

    Can anyone tell me where the Iranians have been belligerent and when they broke international law?

    MrWoppit
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    People like Woppit seem to have bought it hook line and sinker though.

    I never turn down a bargain.

    grum
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    It’s funny though, I seem to remember at the time when we were manufacturing a case against Iraq those who suggested it was all bollocks were called ‘tinfoil-hat wearers’ etc. Amazing that people are falling for the same shit again so soon after it was all revealed to be nonsense last time.

    I never turn down a bargain.

    Wow, great argument and hilarious at the same time. 😐

    TooTall
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    You also don’t think the ‘threat’ from Iran is being massively overhyped/exaggerated?

    Based upon their threats that they are issuing? No – I think they are capable and have proved it in the past.

    TandemJeremy
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    what threats too tall?

    Junkyard
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    the threat that they will have a weapon that means we cannot invade them like we did to iraq ..that threat TJ

    MrWoppit
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    Wow, great argument and hilarious at the same time.

    I try.

    Junkyard
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    way too hard sadly…but at least you amuse yourself

    grum
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    Based upon our threats that we are issuing? No – I think we are capable and have proved it in the past.

    FTFY

    Remind me, when was the last time Iran invaded a country illegally?

    MrWoppit
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    Here’s the thing. Given that any nuclear weapons that they develop will not save them from being nuked in return for any attempt to use them, by far superior forces and that their nation will not survive, the Iranians would have to be completely loopy to even consider it.

    The evidence is that they like making a lot of threatening noises, but (as with the threats to close the Straits), when confronted by superior firepower, they back down.

    They are a bunch of nasty torturers and anti-democrats, sure. But we know that already, right?

    India and Pakistan are enemies. They both developed nuclear weapons, but neither have used that option. The obvious outcome of that useage has prevented it.

    Once again, it’s the oil. Of course.

    There’s nowt to worry about. For the moment…

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