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Do the Southern English really hate the Scots then?

121 posts & 64 voices | Started 2 years ago by ditch_jockey | Latest reply from MrNutt

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ditch_jockey - Member

Just been listening to the Election discussion on Radio Scotland, and I was mildly surprised to hear a couple of their contributors stating that the level of anti-Scottish diatribe in the southern English media is massive. Given I live in Scotland, I'm oblivious to what they print in the Evening Standard, so I took it with a pinch of salt, but then they had some phone ins from down south who slotted neatly into what I'd thought might be a stereotype.

Now given I'd be quite happy for the English to decide they didn't want us anymore, I can't say I'm too upset about this, although I do find it funny that they seem oblivious to how much it appears as the 'politics of envy' at work amongst the home county set.

So, my question is - are we really hated that much down south?

Posted 2 years ago #
jon1973 - Member

So, my question is - are we really hated that much down south?

I wouldn't say that at all. I always assumed it was the other way around.

Posted 2 years ago #
binners - Member

Its not just you. They hate everyone north of Watford

Posted 2 years ago #
Bimbler - Member

There's definitely a reaction to the chippy anti Englishness of the Scots down here yes.

Posted 2 years ago #
uplink - Member

So, my question is - are we really hated that much down south?

No, the Scots just think it's a regular topic of conversation in England, the truth is - it's very rarely mentioned

Posted 2 years ago #
mrmichaelwright - Member

[rudefred]

scotland is just part of 'Norf' which should all be made independent so they don't sponge of our tax and flood our cities with odd beer.

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Posted 2 years ago #
grumm - Member

I dunno but I really wish the north of England could join with Scotland and go independent.

Posted 2 years ago #
IanMunro - Member

What jon1973 says.
Apart from the 'deep frying everything' style windups, I don't think I've ever seen anything negative in the media or met any southerners who have any anti-Scotish sentiment. I could just be not looking at the right media or meeting the right people though.

Posted 2 years ago #
Jamie - Member

I love the Scotch.

Posted 2 years ago #
tiger_roach - Member

I see little negativity towards the Scots in the South - other than created by Scots who've come down here who seem to enjoy slagging off the English.

Posted 2 years ago #
peakmonster - Member

Think all the English hate the scots to be honest,
but we do like your oil thou!

Posted 2 years ago #
ditch_jockey - Member

the Scots just think it's a regular topic of conversation in England,

Well, except we don't, as my OP made clear. Contrary to public belief, neither do we wander about all day looking for English people to hate. There's a small element of stupid bigotry, and a larger element of what is intended as good-natured mickey taking, but in really most of the bigots in Scotland are too concerned with their rivals in the Old Firm to care about anything else.

Posted 2 years ago #
uplink - Member

but we do like your oil thou!

It's not their oil - it's our oil

Posted 2 years ago #
DezB - Member

jon1973 - Member
So, my question is - are we really hated that much down south?
I wouldn't say that at all. I always assumed it was the other way around.

Exactly what I was going to say. My problem is those Scots that work down here and whinge about England, the English and how great Scotland is. And I've known a few of them!

Posted 2 years ago #
mrl - Member

I always thought it was the other way round too.

Posted 2 years ago #
thebikechain - Member

I'm a Scot.

However

Posted 2 years ago #
IanMunro - Member

There was a program on the telly earlier in the year, about how Northerners and Southerners defined themselves, the programme came to the general conclusion that Northerners defined themselves quite a bit as not being Southerners, and the Southerners weren't really that bothered about defining themselves as anything.

Posted 2 years ago #
hilldodger - Member

are we really hated that much down south?

Not in my experience - I've never heard any discussion about 'Scotland' on any level, either positive or negative.

The majority of 'south eastern people' are really quite content with their lot and more likely to be concerned with getting 'their' parking space and the cost of child minders then anything northern, let alone Scottish.

The regions who imagine they're 'hated' , as jon hints at, are usually the ones who do the 'hating' in some kind of perverted amalgamation of self-loathing and persecution-complex

Posted 2 years ago #
wwaswas - Member

I've met a lot of Scots in the south of England who appear to be prepared to do anything for their country short of actually living there.

Mostly I just think people are people and don't hate them based on where they come from - well, except the French, obviously

Posted 2 years ago #
thisisnotaspoon - Member

Nope, apart from the Scots talking about how great they are compared to the English (seems to be a national obsession) I've never heard it mentioned.

Posted 2 years ago #
jon1973 - Member

don't hate them based on where they come from - well, except the French, obviously

wwaswas. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries

Posted 2 years ago #
Talkemada - Blocked

Where's Scotland?

Is it part of East Anglia?

Posted 2 years ago #
ditch_jockey - Member

Yep the gurning scotish moron still doesn't get it

Although, when people refer to Gordon Brown in the above terms on another thread on the forum, or referring to Michael Martin as "Gorbals Mick", it does suggest an element of racism, in as much as their place of origin is irrelevant to the critique of them, especially in the case of Gordon Brown. If you don't beleive me, replace Scotish (sic) with paki and see what I mean.

Anyway, I'm not trying to create an issue, I was genuinely interested to know. Like I said, I'd be delighted if the two countries decided to move from devolution to independence, as I'm not convinced that the current financial settlement works in Scotland's favour.

Posted 2 years ago #
The Southern Yeti - Member

I love the Scots especially the self importance they place on themselves!

Seriously the only objection I ever hear about the Scots is that you don't support the English football team at the World Cup, whilst we like to support out less abled little sister when she competes.

Oh and I've even got a Scottish friend so I'm not racialist.

Posted 2 years ago #
ooOOoo - Member

Same here. In the Mild Mild West everyone's too chilled to get upset about everyone else

I notice Alex Salmond can't seem to go 10 seconds without blaming 'Westminster politics' though

Posted 2 years ago #
soobalias - Member

im not sure the scots are important enough to be actually hated, there is a list, and you are on it, but not even close to top ten.

Posted 2 years ago #
grumm - Member

Although, when people refer to Gordon Brown in the above terms on another thread on the forum, or referring to Michael Martin as "Gorbals Mick", it does suggest an element of racism, in as much as their place of origin is irrelevant to the critique of them, especially in the case of Gordon Brown.

I agree, though I'd probably call it xenophobia rather than racism

Posted 2 years ago #
MrSmith - Member

speaking as a southerner/londerner.
i'm ambivalent towards northerners and scots, it's almost as if they are shouting "hey look at us up here aren't we wonderful"
not giving a toss about them is probably what they hate about southerners the most.

one thing that does intrigue me though is why do they wear late 80's clothes?
and what is all that blonde hair and mahogany tanning about?

Posted 2 years ago #
sam42 - Member

Alex Salmond does them no favours.

Posted 2 years ago #
peakmonster - Member

I think it's up north some where it's where our oil comes from !

Posted 2 years ago #
grumm - Member

speaking as a southerner/londerner.
i'm ambivalent towards northerners and scots, it's almost as if they are shouting "hey look at us up here aren't we wonderful"
not giving a toss about them is probably what they hate about southerners the most.

I don't hate southerners, I pity them.

Posted 2 years ago #
MrSmith - Member

I don't hate southerners, I pity them.

but they don't want or need your pity

Posted 2 years ago #
jon1973 - Member

I don't hate southerners, I pity them.

How so?

Posted 2 years ago #
ahwiles - Member

No, we don't hate the Scots, Scotland is ace! - we really don't know why you hate us...

Posted 2 years ago #
jacko54321 - Member

higher up britain you go the worse it is !

no tbh i dont really care that much, what they do dosent effect my life so let them do what they want how they want

Posted 2 years ago #