She’s made sure of that 🙂

I don’t think he was influenced by her, despite the huge media attention given to the by-election because of its possible historic UKIP significance, the geezer wasn’t aware that there was an important election in his home town.

Initially he claimed to have voted Tory in 2010 but said he didn’t know why, then yesterday it was reported that he couldn’t remember when he last voted.

It turns out that the geezer is daft as you would expect someone who claims to have England flags on display to upset people from ‘ethnic minorities’ to be.

Emily Thornberry doesn’t appear to have needed to contribute anything to the process.

what do you think the chances are that he doesn’t conform to the stereotype and is a left wing vegetarian pacifist – though we then come back to what he’s been quoted as saying which tends to confirm the initial impression

THIS

So sterotyping and judgemental then. Do white van men/St George’s flag flying individuals not vote for or consider voting for labour ?

Have you heard his comments on this?
They include I voted tory, I dont vote I know the flag annoys some ethnic minorities…all reported on this thread – one post iirc.
In this case what do you think Sherlock?
It may well have been all the things you claim it was but, and this is important, it was also true and accurate.

Here are some more pictures for you.
Please dont tell me you cannot make pre judgments about what these people stand for and may represent based on a picture.

HAve you heard his comments on this isuues
They inc;ude I voted tory, I dont bote I knwo th eflag annoys some ethnic minorites
In this case what do you think Sherlock?

Thornberry knew all this from a pavement walk by ? She’s the Sherlock with those powers.

Yes she was able to look at it and work out some of his likely views and attitudes just like you can when you look at those pictures above. I guess that is why you made no comment on them 🙄 We all know we all can do this we all know we do this.

Its pointless to say she made a pre judgment of them

Please dont tell me you cannot make pre judgments about what these people stand for and may represent based on a picture.

The sooner we all as individuals relate and unite on common humanity (and promote such a culture) the better for all of us. It is tempting to play on stereotypes, a shortcut to pride/superiority (ie ‘so glad I’m not like THEM’) and this is surely equally true for both snobbery and so-called ‘reverse snobbery’ (In my mind the two are closely related enough to be considered essentially the same thing).

When a flag stands for an idea we can look at the idea and have a better chance to discuss it openly. When a flag stands for a Nation it is by nature a changing goalpost and used variously as a standard for a host of unrelated stuff – some positive, some terribly negative. The nature of a National flag is such that can so easily invite a ‘with us or against us’ conversation. I hope one day that we look back and see flags as a cultural relic, although the pessimist in me knows that we are currently not far evolved from territorial troops of chimps 🙁

Yes, look at this Sun-reading tosser. 🙂

The sooner we all as individuals relate and unite on common humanity (and promote such a culture) the better for all of us.

Difficult. How about our shared dislike of Miliband?

Human enjoying salacious gossip and rivalry just yesterday:

So sterotyping and judgemental then. Do white van men/St George’s flag flying individuals not vote for or consider voting for labour ?

it’s possibly stereotyping (and if it is, the guy turned out to be a pretty stereotypical white van man), and the judgement was political rather than moral – “eff me, this is gonna be a hard sell, especially when we’re running in third or possible fourth place”.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/11/22/white-van-dan-emily-thornberry_n_6203580.html?1416660180&utm_hp_ref=uk

Worrying that a potential PM claimed that he was “angrier than he had ever been” over this. Will need some career coaching if he gets the main job. Current judgement doesn’t bode well, does it……

The person in question is not a Labour voter. If that was Emily Thornberry’s assessment then she was correct

@ernie, I the the very relevant question here is whether historically the WAS a Labour voter ? My betting is he was indeed a Labour voter in the past

Worrying that a potential PM claimed that he was “angrier than he had ever been” over this. Will need some career coaching if he gets the main job. Current judgement doesn’t bode well, does it……

I totally agree. IMO the most depressing aspect about this otherwise trivial story, if you can call it a story, is the revelation that it made Miliband the angrier he’s ever been.

Miliband will quite possibly be UK prime Minister next year he really needs to prioritise what to get angry over.

I have never held Miliband in very high esteem but now he’s gone down a couple of more notches after this incident.

And the moronic comment about feeling a sense of “respect” whenever he sees a white van or a house draped in St George’s flags didn’t help ffs.

Labour needs a New King in New Clothes. Britain on the other hand needs to find it’s heart before the spleen eats the host.

I can believe it made milliband that angry he’s been getting a rogering in the pesss this wouldve been his first Sunday morning in a while where the papers weren’t shitting on him from a great height

As for was he ever a labour voter, I’d say Dan’s always been a rightwinger, looking at his danifesto !

Well now you’re being unfair on the poor misunderstood chap. He only claimed that he didn’t care who it pissed off, not that that was the aim.

Do you think he got help holding the crayons?

<joke, joke, joke, for the benefit of the professionally offended>

Though I do wonder whether the Sun journalists are sneering at him now.

Milliband really is an unsophisticated, lying, pathetic git who stands about as much chance of being elected prime minister as I do. I thought he was shit before this cockup, and he has really proven himself to be as uncomfortable in his own skin as he looks. I’ve never approached a general election feeling so despondent. I’ve always voted and always voted labour, but this time I’m not sure I’ll be able to bring myself to.

He only claimed that he didn’t care who it pissed off, not that that was the aim.

Here’s a quote attributed to him : “I will continue to fly the flags. I know there is a lot of ethnic minorities that don’t like it”

It seems to me that the aim is to upset “a lot of ethnic minorities”. Quite why he thinks they might be upset by his St Georges flags I don’t know.

But I get your point, let’s not be too hasty and jump to conclusions concerning the cage fighting second hand car dealer.

For all we know he might be deeply wounded by the thought that he unintentionally upsets his ethnic minority neighbours with his expressions of patriotic fevour.

Is your real name Dave? Or (god forbid) Boris? Because sadly he does still stand quite a good chance of being PM – it’s like having to choose between horse poo and cow poo.

I’ve never approached a general election feeling so despondent.

I felt like that in 1997 on the eve of the general election when it became clear that Tony Blair would become Prime Minister with a massive majority. I felt utterly despondent.

Eventually time proved that Tony Blair turned out to be even worse than I had dreaded.

Ah well the full quote from the source I found is “I will continue to fly the flags – I don’t care who it p—-s off. I know there is a lot of ethnic minorities that don’t like it.” I’m sure it is just my prejudice which means I wouldn’t trust any journalist to write a straight article on this story though.

I wouldn’t trust any journalist to write a straight article on this story though.

That quote was provided by the Daily Telegraph’s senior political correspondent Chris Hope, surely you don’t think he is part of the Emily Thornberry conspiracy to misrepresent the misunderstood cage fighting patriotic secondhand car dealer ?

Is bumming poppies a big problem in the UK now then?

I think we must be the only Country throughout the world
where it is seen to be near a public disgrace for displaying the flag of your Country.

There was a suggestion that living in Islington, she was simply posting a picture up of the first 3 bedroom house she’d ever seen for under 2 million

LOL Binners

I think we must be the only Country throughout the world
where it is seen to be near a public disgrace for displaying the flag of your Country.

Nah I think you get loads of racists hiding behind their national flags to offer them some protection from a world they don’t understand and fear is passing them by *

* yeah I’m a patronising stw lefty, deal with it 😉

Is bumming poppies a big problem in the UK now then?

It’s clearly a typo.

Should read “puppies.”

Wow that danifesto is a real surprise. Looking at the flags there iwho could have predicted he stood behind typically right wing ones that are very like UKIP?

Astounding news a real revelation

I think we must be the only Country throughout the world
where it is seen to be near a public disgrace for displaying the flag of your Country.

Then reclaim it from those who have taken ownership of it who are seen as very right wing and a wee bit racist.

typically right wing ones that are very like UKIP

Welfare:
’18-21 year olds to train or lose benefits

Immigration:
’stronger border controls to tackle illegal immigration’

Transport:
Labour promises tough cap on rail fares
Billions on housebuilding, road and rail projects

Schools:
Specialist discipline teachers to maintain order in schools

Taxes:
Standing up for the self employed

Unfortunately, I couldn’t find one with Labour calling for jailing poppy burners, but I couldnt find a UKIP policy saying the same either…

OH in that case i stand corrected he is a natural labour supporter and a bleeding heart lefty do gooder and you are not making a really pointless scribble

thanks for the clarification Ninfan….very useful as always

natural labour supporter and a bleeding heart lefty do gooder

You appear to make the false assumption that these are the same thing

There are plenty of ‘natural labour supporters’ that are anything but ‘bleeding heart lefty do gooders’ – a couple of evenings drinking in a northern working mens club should be enough to confirm that if you’re under any doubt…

Unfortunately, I couldn’t find one with Labour calling for…

you post is premised on the proposition that labour is a left wing party. the fact that the policies that you mention are indistinguishable from UKIP’s and the Tories’, and jibe comfortably with the Sun’s views, suggests that they are not.

As a former right-wing Tory supporter who now appears to support UKIP I can’t understand why you are so hostile towards the Labour Party Ninfan.

After all your own evaluation leads you to the apparent conclusion that on the main policies issues the Labour Party and UKIP have identical policies.

So why not a more sympathetic attitude towards the Labour Party Ninfan ?

Is it perhaps because you are completely aware that the premise which suggests that Labour and UKIP policies are identical is of course total bollox, and that the only reason you suggested it is because you find the lure to post nonsense on here quite irresistible ?

Born and bred in Owdham, still live there, Moorside area to be precise, its always been a rough town and probably always will, thats what happens when industry drops away leaving several different communities with very little prospect. I do not believe your description paints a true picture, in reality i would say the racial tolerance is fairly balanced across all communities. I think your comments are tainted with a bit of shame/snobbery.

Yep, rough as a bears arse when I grew up there and whenever I go back to visit relatives certain parts of it seem to get worse every time while others stay much the same.

Just to be clear, I’m talking here about a minority group of blatant racists. Not the average person in the street. As you still live there perhaps you can put me right about the true nature of a George Cross hanging outside someone’s front window? Maybe I’ve got it all wrong and they are just showing some good natured patriotism.

The average working man has a mix of views that range from far-right to far-left. He’s tended to vote Labour because they were more representative of him in the past (even if he didn’t agree with all their policies), however in recent years it’s become apparent that the NuLab leadership are a lot more similar to the Tory leadership than they are to him. While Labour have definitely moved to the right it’s not necessarily on the policies that interest him (e.g. immigration).