C’mon Ernie, you said that a living wage would end reliance on food banks

How did socialisms many versions of the ‘workers paradise’ get on with delivering full bellies to the masses?

They do not affect your life on a daily basis. Giving up does. Dependency on the social system, adjusting your life to maximise child credits does.

We worked out that if mrsh stopped working, cancel out the need for nursery fees etc basically the government would subsidise her enough to not bother working. Even more so if we had a second child. She decided to keep working though and not play the system thtough tax credits. Many that we know of decided otherwise. Why is that right?

Food banks- alot will have genuine cases but alot of people will ‘click’ that they can get alot of thrir weekly food groceries for free saving their weekly benefits for other things.

Wouldnt you? Its called playing the system.

I’m sure the Labour Party pays you to make the Tories look stupid ninfan.

Playing the man not the ball again Ernie? Quelle surprise!

Whereas for an old Marxist like you, we only have to look to Gdansk and Gdynia to see why your theories don’t work.

Sick of the blame culture prevalent and ‘its not my fault its the politicians’.

Only the blue labour boys hora, especially north of the wall. And now these same boys have just caused a 10% decline in London property prices. It’s a scandal

Im out BTW- plenty of people have becone institutionalised on benefits beit the poor and middle class mothers now complaining that theyll have to start working again.

I’ll say this again- we’d have been in the same £££ position if mrsH quit her fulltime job and also played the system. Madness, ‘more children in poverty’. Right- start by having less children. People need to start taking responsibility for their lives not blame ‘the Tories’.

This is the situation that I’m about to be faced with. Previous job was £25k/yr until that contract ended. I had £300/month on travelling expenses out of that. Ex-wife is moving out and I’m keeping this house. It’s socil housing and the rent is £400/month and council tax is £100/month. If I get another job on the same money I will be expected to pay roughly £350/month in child support for my kids.

The alternative option is to go on benefits and have housing and council tax paid for me and not need to pay child support. It’s an attractive option as i would give me a hell of a lot of free time to enjoy life.

Is this the problem o welfare being to high? No, is it hell.

Is it a problem of wages being way too **** low – yes it is. Twelve pounds per hour to teach people to walk again and save lives regularly. There’s something not right there.

BTW I’ll be taking the work option as I am not shirking my responsibilities.

oh god another ernie/ninfan posting the same old drivel at each other thread. Have either of you ever thought about stepping outside and getting a bit of a life instead of just posting the same predictable pish over and over again?
Or get a room and consumate your relationship?

Right- start by having less children.

yaay – sterilise the poor. Selective breeding it’s the way forward.
Nice uniforms as well

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oh god another ernie/ninfan posting the same old drivel at each other thread. Have either of you ever thought about stepping outside and getting a bit of a life instead of just posting the same predictable pish over and over again?
Or get a room and consumate your relationship?
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An interesting and doubtlessly useful contribution to the thread chubby. As was the posting of a pic of Hitler of course.

But have you got anything to say about food banks ?

Goodwins Law! That’s that discussion ended by todays idiot.

Personally I am amazed that if people give food away for free, and publicise the places that they do it from, that more and more people will use them.

It’s amazing, who’d have thought it?

Personally I am amazed that if people give food away for free, and publicise the places that they do it from, that more and more people will use them.

It’s amazing, who’d have thought it?

Except that’s bollocks. People aren’t using foodbanks because they can’t be bothered going to Tescos, they’re doing it because they’re desperate – walking miles, enduring the shame of it, having to be given vouchers to get something to eat. It’s not a lifestyle choice.

Personally I am amazed that if people give food away for free, and publicise the places that they do it from, that more and more people will use them.

It’s amazing, who’d have thought it?

Except that it’s not as simple as just turning up and helping yourself to ‘free food’.

“Care professionals such as doctors, health visitors, social workers, CAB and police identify people in crisis and issue them with a foodbank voucher. Foodbanks partner with a wide range of care professionals who are best placed to assess need and make sure that it is genuine.”

http://www.trusselltrust.org/how-it-works

People are the masters of their own destiny…If migrants can come here with nothing, work hard and put second generation through Uni etc why cant people who live here? Stop blaming others.

If people were masters of their own destiny, immigrants wouldn’t need to come here to work hard and put their kids through Uni. They would do it wherever they came from through Tebbitesque bike riding and Noel Edmonds-style cosmic wishlisting.

The problem we have is that the minimum/living wage is inadequate for most people to get by on, especially housing costs, which in turn are the results of 30 years of **** up housing policy.

You then have politicians promising to get people out of poverty and failing to address these two fundamental issues. So they set up a system of benefits and credits to make up the shortfall and provide a safety net for kids, which undermines the need to learn/work/earn for some recipients.

No idea how to square the circle, just my observations of the system, having seen it from both sides as a recipient and working in the benefit system.