Been having a bit of a ponder and I know this is the best place to ask. 🙂
I have a road bike which I have no intention of riding in the Winter due to much mud on roads from farm vehicles etc. It’s also very light and, quite frankly, I want to keep it looking good.
At some point I would like a touring bike (already have rack and panniers) and was wondering whether it could be used as a Winter bike. Immediate thought is steel (but would love Ti, ahem).
One and the same. Might I point madam towards the Van Nicholas website, where she will notice the Amazon. This very capable machine can be outfitted with a disc-compatible fork and will handle a degree of off-roadiness too.
I’ve got the 2009 (green) version – superb bike. Bob a Brooks saddle on it and you’re more than sorted.
Used it almost daily for the past 18 months, commuting, touring and the odd century ride. Love it.
It handled last years snow very well.
I beg to differ on a few points above – a tourer is not just a winter bike with panniers/racks etc. A dedicated touring bike will have a slightly lower bottom bracket for stability, a slightly more upright riding position, rear triangle will be built to accomodate a rack and pannier ( some road bikes rear end are that short that when you fit a pannier you catch your heels as you pedal), the gears will be more than likely be a triple chainset with a wider ratio cassette than most road bikes. It will also be be built for comfort, reliability and strength rather than speed.
Have a look at Kona Sutra, Salsa Fargo and Surly Long Haul Trucker – bit different to ‘just a winter bike with panniers’.
and as for off-road – no I didn’t buy mine for going off-road. But those cross tyres were cheap and , well you can guess the rest.
PX do a kaff w discs. This medium is on sale at £900
Excellent touring/winter frame. ALl the holes for guards and racks.
Have toured for many miles on it’s SS cousin the pompino.
Cotic Roadrat? Been meaning to sell my medium as a frame/fork or as a bike. pm if interested.
I have just replaced it with a Forme Plateau (Aly frame carbon fork) which does not do discs but is nearly 10% quicker for the same effort. Has mudguard and rack mounts.
Winter and Touring bikes are, if we’re splitting hairs, not the same. But they can each do both jobs quite nicely.
Oh, and what’s wrong with riding road bikes off road..? I make a point of it.
EDIT: addressing the question a little more, I’d ask yourself which is more important: touring or “winter training”? For me, it’s the latter, so the tourinjg capabilities of my bike are limited.
If that’s your angle, then have a look at the perennial Ribble Audax.
The Sutra is lovely (I’ve had one) but I reckon there are a lot of bikes giving it a run for its money these days. It’s not the lightest of bicycles either.
I bought a kinesis tripster for touring/winter road riding/cx riding. Sadly it is too big for me so I am selling it/turning it into a commuter and buying a custom frame instead. 😳
You may have a problem finding something that fits depending on how tall you are/requirements – i wanted disks, mounts for mudguards and rack, plus clearance for cx/touring tyres as well as running 23s for winter rides, but couldn’t find anything small enough that ticked all the boxes.
I considered and discounted the kona sutra on weight. Also considered the kaffenback (too big for me) and the salsa vaya (i wanted 700c wheels and the frame which would have fitted me came with 26″)
Having the same thoughts…..C2W from Evans so looking at something from Genesis (Croix de Fer) or BMC (Alpenchallenge) but just spotted this from Jamis….Aurora Elite
That Jamis has bar end shifters……I ride on the hoods in town, why would they put the gear changing down there? Deal-breaker.
Some touring bikes still use bar end shifters cos they don’t interfere with handlebar-mounted bags. The cables and the lever movement on STI’s often catch on barbags so a lot of touring riders don’t like them.
(less of an issue now that all manufacturers route all their cables next to the bar but older Shimano stuff with the side cables was always a problem).
OK, its main purpose would be for touring, maximum trip a week, so that means one pair of half-empty panniers. Priority would need to be comfort hence Ti would be brilliant but realistically steel would just have to do.
I guess for Winter duties it would just be a means of maintaining stamina.
Lots to think about but, one thing’s for sure, the road bike is staying but the full suss would unfortunately have to go!
Some touring bikes still use bar end shifters cos they don’t interfere with handlebar-mounted bags
They also have a friction shift option if you’ve dinged your mech hanger. Basicaly, they’re more reliable, which is a good thing if you’re on a serious tour.
I have a VN Yukon, got it SH for £435, added disc mounts front and rear (front broke 🙁 ) it’s perfect – stiff enough to tour (Caserrol wasn’t), agile enough to be fun unloaded, and lightish.
Just in the process of building a Kaffenback for just this purpose. There are a good few great looking frames out there for a similar purpose, but the Kaff was just such good value. It’s looking good so far – just waiting for cranks to arrive.
In the above photos, take a look at the gap between tyre and seat tube. Then it is easy to spot the tourers.
Just buy an 853 Dawes Ultra Galaxy and grow a beard during your travels.
EDIT: that beard might take a while 😳 . Glad you are back to biking. But still get a Galaxy. Tourers and road bikes are related, but they very definitely are not the same: Road -> Audax (Winter) -> Road
Sabbath September for me. More Audax than full tourer (Sabbath do the Silk Route for that) but perfectly up to a bit of touring as well as commuting, winter training etc.
I have just bought one of these. Has rear rack mounts will take a 28mm tyre and full mudguards.
Weighs 18lbs with pedals
probably alright for ‘light touring’ (ie using just rear rack) and I’m using it as my one and only road bike for commuting, winter rides, training and out with the lads on Road rides.
Paul Hewitt did the fitting and built the bike and I must say it’s great, so comfy. Thats probably a mixture of 28 tyres, Hewitt fitting and a nice frame/fork.
c_g: yey! Welcome to the winter roadie / touring club 🙂 I got the ‘Adventure Cycle-Touring Handbook’ for Christmas and am currently half-way across Russia (albeit whilst remaining tucked up under the duvet!)
Not wanting to get too personal, but the factor which I found most important was whether you are (ahem) female proportioned – ie relatively long legs and a proportionally shorter torso. I am (along with being a diminuative 5′) and found that the biggest issue re touring bikes as it’s pretty harder to get a women’s specific one (which isn’t some god-awful step-through frame). Above all, fit and comfort is far more important than anything else, as you’re going to be sat on it for hours and hours, day in, day out. So try as many as you can, and even consider a custom built frame (which to be honest is something I’d consider in the future).
TBH Sue if they hadn’t got this XS Carbon Alpine, I was going to get that very thing in steel from Paul Hewitt. The 12 week waiting list was a big consideration, but he rekons he can get a very light, extemely comfy bike built exactly the way you want it.
It is well worth considering CG.
The price was about £950 for frame and forks built in columbus steel if I recall correctly.