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cinnamon_girl - Member

Been having a bit of a ponder and I know this is the best place to ask.

I have a road bike which I have no intention of riding in the Winter due to much mud on roads from farm vehicles etc. It's also very light and, quite frankly, I want to keep it looking good.

At some point I would like a touring bike (already have rack and panniers) and was wondering whether it could be used as a Winter bike. Immediate thought is steel (but would love Ti, ahem).

Does this sound a sensible proposition?

As always, thanks very much.

Posted 4 months ago #
RealMan - Member

Yeah, a touring bike is just a winter bike with panniers/racks etc.

Posted 4 months ago #
druidh - Member

One and the same. Might I point madam towards the Van Nicholas website, where she will notice the Amazon. This very capable machine can be outfitted with a disc-compatible fork and will handle a degree of off-roadiness too.

Posted 4 months ago #
cynic-al - Member

This is exactly my town/touring/winter bike, discs, racks, mudguards, 28c tyres...and ti

Posted 4 months ago #
cinnamon_girl - Member

Thanks for the replies.

Shall check that out druidh but definitely not wanting to go off-road. I would however definitely want disc brakes!

cynic-al - can you post a pic please or is it one of your unique creations?

Posted 4 months ago #
stAn-Bad Brains MBC - Member

KONA SUTRA

I've got the 2009 (green) version - superb bike. Bob a Brooks saddle on it and you're more than sorted.
Used it almost daily for the past 18 months, commuting, touring and the odd century ride. Love it.
It handled last years snow very well.

I beg to differ on a few points above - a tourer is not just a winter bike with panniers/racks etc. A dedicated touring bike will have a slightly lower bottom bracket for stability, a slightly more upright riding position, rear triangle will be built to accomodate a rack and pannier ( some road bikes rear end are that short that when you fit a pannier you catch your heels as you pedal), the gears will be more than likely be a triple chainset with a wider ratio cassette than most road bikes. It will also be be built for comfort, reliability and strength rather than speed.
Have a look at Kona Sutra, Salsa Fargo and Surly Long Haul Trucker - bit different to 'just a winter bike with panniers'.

and as for off-road - no I didn't buy mine for going off-road. But those cross tyres were cheap and , well you can guess the rest.

Posted 4 months ago #
Stoner - Member

PX do a kaff w discs. This medium is on sale at £900
Excellent touring/winter frame. ALl the holes for guards and racks.
Have toured for many miles on it's SS cousin the pompino.

Posted 4 months ago #
drinkmoreport - Member

Salsa Veya ticks your boxes

Posted 4 months ago #
Blackhound - Member

Cotic Roadrat? Been meaning to sell my medium as a frame/fork or as a bike. pm if interested.

I have just replaced it with a Forme Plateau (Aly frame carbon fork) which does not do discs but is nearly 10% quicker for the same effort. Has mudguard and rack mounts.

Posted 4 months ago #
ourmaninthenorth - Member

Winter and Touring bikes are, if we're splitting hairs, not the same. But they can each do both jobs quite nicely.

Oh, and what's wrong with riding road bikes off road..? I make a point of it.

EDIT: addressing the question a little more, I'd ask yourself which is more important: touring or "winter training"? For me, it's the latter, so the tourinjg capabilities of my bike are limited.

If that's your angle, then have a look at the perennial Ribble Audax.

Posted 4 months ago #
rootes1 - Member

in some ways a touring bike is a great all round bike for cycling.

Ridgeback do a nice range than come with guards and racks etc

http://www.ridgeback.co.uk/bike/panorama

all they need is dynamo (hub) system

deals to be had on Dawes Galaxy as well
http://www.spacycles.co.uk/products.php?plid=m1b0s21p2419

Posted 4 months ago #
Elfinsafety - Member

Sell that lightweight road bike, cos unless you're racing it's pointless.

And get yerself something like a CX bike with rack mounts. More models are now coming with discs.

Here's a nice one:

And it's only eight hundred and fifty pounds.

http://www.evanscycles.com/products/pinnacle/arkose-two-cyclo-cross-bike-ec027483

More comfy geometry, better brakes, more versatile.

Posted 4 months ago #
grantyboy - Member

another +1 for the Kona Sutra

Posted 4 months ago #
druidh - Member

The Sutra is lovely (I've had one) but I reckon there are a lot of bikes giving it a run for its money these days. It's not the lightest of bicycles either.

Posted 4 months ago #
dirtygirlonabike - Member

I bought a kinesis tripster for touring/winter road riding/cx riding. Sadly it is too big for me so I am selling it/turning it into a commuter and buying a custom frame instead.

You may have a problem finding something that fits depending on how tall you are/requirements - i wanted disks, mounts for mudguards and rack, plus clearance for cx/touring tyres as well as running 23s for winter rides, but couldn't find anything small enough that ticked all the boxes.

I considered and discounted the kona sutra on weight. Also considered the kaffenback (too big for me) and the salsa vaya (i wanted 700c wheels and the frame which would have fitted me came with 26")

Posted 4 months ago #
loum - Member

How a bout an on-one pompetamine, it has discs, steel frame and winter-proof hub gears. 800/1200 for 8 or 11 gears.

http://www.on-one.co.uk/i/q/CBOOPOMPETVERSA/on_one_pompetamine_versa_

http://www.on-one.co.uk/i/q/CBOOPOMPETVERSA11/on_one_pompetamine_versa_11_speed_pro

Posted 4 months ago #
wors - Member

I bought a Kona Dew Drop for the exact same purpose, not sure if they are still available but got mine for a bargaintastic price of £465.

Posted 4 months ago #
mcboo - Member

Having the same thoughts.....C2W from Evans so looking at something from Genesis (Croix de Fer) or BMC (Alpenchallenge) but just spotted this from Jamis....Aurora Elite

Posted 4 months ago #
MoreCashThanDash - Member

Check out Spa Cycles own brand Audax and Tourers, both available in a fetching and good value Ti format.....

Posted 4 months ago #
the hustler - Member

My boardman in touring guise

change the wheels to thicker rim and grippier tyres winter commuter

Posted 4 months ago #
poolman - Member

I have a Condor Heritage & love it. Bombproof, no disc brakes though.

Posted 4 months ago #
mcboo - Member

That Jamis has bar end shifters......I ride on the hoods in town, why would they put the gear changing down there? Deal-breaker.

Posted 4 months ago #
crazy-legs - Member

That Jamis has bar end shifters......I ride on the hoods in town, why would they put the gear changing down there? Deal-breaker.

Some touring bikes still use bar end shifters cos they don't interfere with handlebar-mounted bags. The cables and the lever movement on STI's often catch on barbags so a lot of touring riders don't like them.

(less of an issue now that all manufacturers route all their cables next to the bar but older Shimano stuff with the side cables was always a problem).

Posted 4 months ago #
stAn-Bad Brains MBC - Member

bet that Boardmans fun cornering on fast descents with the panniers so high

Posted 4 months ago #
cinnamon_girl - Member

Wow, lots of replies and suggestions, thanks!

OK, its main purpose would be for touring, maximum trip a week, so that means one pair of half-empty panniers. Priority would need to be comfort hence Ti would be brilliant but realistically steel would just have to do.

I guess for Winter duties it would just be a means of maintaining stamina.

Lots to think about but, one thing's for sure, the road bike is staying but the full suss would unfortunately have to go!

Posted 4 months ago #
epo-aholic - Member

Genesis Croix de Fer for me, Ti would be much lighter granted but it would also be more than twice the price!

Mudguards are a bugger to fit though....

Posted 4 months ago #
CaptainFlashheart - Member

Some touring bikes still use bar end shifters cos they don't interfere with handlebar-mounted bags

They also have a friction shift option if you've dinged your mech hanger. Basicaly, they're more reliable, which is a good thing if you're on a serious tour.

Posted 4 months ago #
trailmoggy - Member

for gods sake don't buy a ribble i think theyre made out of scaffolding tube, my kineseis is suprisingly comfy

Posted 4 months ago #
cynic-al - Member

Kafenback hard to beat for value IMO.

I have a VN Yukon, got it SH for £435, added disc mounts front and rear (front broke ) it's perfect - stiff enough to tour (Caserrol wasn't), agile enough to be fun unloaded, and lightish.

Posted 4 months ago #
cynic-al - Member

CaptainFlashheart - Member
a serious tour.

Something bugger all of us actually ever do, despite how cool saying that may make you think you are.

Posted 4 months ago #
Baldysquirt - Member

Just in the process of building a Kaffenback for just this purpose. There are a good few great looking frames out there for a similar purpose, but the Kaff was just such good value. It's looking good so far - just waiting for cranks to arrive.

Posted 4 months ago #
djaustin - Member

In the above photos, take a look at the gap between tyre and seat tube. Then it is easy to spot the tourers.

Just buy an 853 Dawes Ultra Galaxy and grow a beard during your travels.

EDIT: that beard might take a while . Glad you are back to biking. But still get a Galaxy. Tourers and road bikes are related, but they very definitely are not the same: Road -> Audax (Winter) -> Road

Posted 4 months ago #
djaustin - Member

The chainstays on that Kaff look rather short. I hope you don't have large feet, or don't mind travelling with smaller panniers.

Posted 4 months ago #
simondbarnes - Member

Harvest Time by simondbarnes, on Flickr

Sabbath September for me. More Audax than full tourer (Sabbath do the Silk Route for that) but perfectly up to a bit of touring as well as commuting, winter training etc.

Posted 4 months ago #
wellhung - Member

If yum short

http://www.planet-x-bikes.co.uk/i/q/FRVAPIRH/van_nicholas_pioneer_rohloff_frame

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