LOL. This thread is rather amusing.
Since 90% of the posters clearly don't know how their dampers work, or what the adjusters do, surely the mtb marketing guys are barking up the wrong tree with highly adjustable forks/shocks.
It's just a recipe for suspension that works terribly due to poor set up.
correct Glenh
On most motorcycles now ( ducatis excepted) the adjuster range is minimal so people cannot get a totally wrong set up no matter how they fiddle. This is precisely because people get so confused over setup
If you think that's what I'm trying to do, then you are way off the mark!
No, I was telling you what I do. 
That is a complete load of ballcocks.
No it's not. Downhill forks DO NOT have lockouts, and THEY DO hit big multiple bumps, so at worst it's only 1/3 ballcocks! 
Since 90% of the posters clearly don't know how their dampers work, or what the adjusters do
Go on then, crack on! What does it all do then? Who's right and wrong? I'm all ears.... 
surely the mtb marketing guys are barking up the wrong tree with highly adjustable forks/shocks.
It's just a recipe for suspension that works terribly due to poor set up.
I do tend to agree with your setiment there though. I challenge anyone to pick fault with my Vanilla Rs! Preload and rebound and that's yer lot! I love 'em!
I'm a pretty skilled bike mechanic, and I'm also very intelligent, analytical and observant.
You forgot to add 'modest' on your little list there.
TJ, road motorbike analogies are not very useful here due to the vast difference in usage parameters...
You forgot to add 'modest' on your little list there.
Sometimes you gotta spell it out to TJ...
It seems me, PP and maybe TJ understand how our dampers work.... TJ's problem seems to be understanding what I'm getting at in my answer to his question about why you'd want to change damping on the fly.
It seems me, PP and maybe TJ understand how our dampers work
We certainly understand what our preferences are and how to adjust what we have to achieve them. 
No it's not. Downhill forks DO NOT have lockouts, and THEY DO hit big multiple bumps, so at worst it's only 1/3 ballcocks!
No I meant the second part of his assertion. But anyhow I think up until recently at least (2008 maybe) that you could buy Boxxers with the regular MoCo damper which could be locked out. Maybe you still can with the MoCo IS. I'm not sure about that though.
So that would make it 100% ballcocks
We certainly understand what our preferences are
Not the same thing...
A picture is worth a thousand words...hopefully that clears everything up once and for all.
EDIT: I know it's a 2011 Fox 32 with the fancy gold coating in the drawing but the principle is the same on a RS rev
As a layman i am more confused than when i started reading this thread....might just go rigid 
As a layman i am more confused than when i started reading this thread....might just go rigid
1 set sag to approx 25%
2 ride
2.1 too much dive? more LSC (blue dial)
2.2 big hits coming straight through (spiking)? reduce floodgate
2.3 kickback after bumps? more rebound
2.4 fork not recovering quickly enough? less rebound
3 goto 2
As a layman i am more confused than when i started reading this thread....might just go rigid
I just got back from the pub, and thought it would be useful to do a recap:
1. There are at least 2 different remotes, one that adjusts compression, one that doesn't. Probably anyone that brought their Revelations from the cheap Merlin deal has a normal lockout lever without compression adjustment.
2. Due to (1), mostly everything else can be ignored, unless you want to faff around with zip ties to adjust compression.
3. retro83 posted a link to something by someone named kapusta, who explains motion control adjustment in easy to understand steps for normal people.
4. Ignore everything after retro83s link and you won't go far wrong...
got mine sorted now.......lockout locksout........
Good tuning summary retro83.
Of course, as others have said, if you use a remote lever that only allows 2 positions for slow speed compression, then point 2.1 is superfluous.
Oh, one more - getting compression spikes but too much bob/dive or not enough 'lockout' (since floodgate is wound right off): change for a lighter oil and use more floodgate.
2.1 too much dive? more LSC (blue dial)
Probably anyone that brought their Revelations from the cheap Merlin deal has a normal lockout lever without compression adjustment.
Of course, as others have said, if you use a remote lever that only allows 2 positions for slow speed compression, then point 2.1 is superfluous.
So if one has the on/off lever, what adjustment would you use to make up for the lack of compression adjustment? Or just not worry about it?
So if one has the on/off lever, what adjustment would you use to make up for the lack of compression adjustment? Or just not worry about it?
You could hard wire the compression by tightening the wire at the blue pulley.
Or you could do something with zip ties (I wonder if you can make the bar lever adjustable with a zip tie loop or something?).
Or someone else will say that you can put more/less air in and change the rebound. Then someone else will say you shouldn't do that. Then someone will get called a facist.
If you reckon that adjustable compression will make loads of difference to you then you'll be wanting to buy the correct lever, or change the assembly for a fork mounted compression adjuster.
Not worry about it.
If your fork is set up properly you don't need more compression damping. All the lockout does is stop the fork from working.
Well, you can run it 'on/locked out' and wind the floodgate off a fair bit.
That way you get a bit more low speed compression damping to control bob/dive and an active fork over bigger hits.
However, that means that a) you don't have anything that works as a lockout, and b) you might be a bit low on compression damping generally, depending on your weight/how you ride etc. (which would show up as blowing through travel easily, although probably not bottoming on air revs/rebas since then have a very progressive spring towards the end of their travel).
ducking all the handbags for a second and answering any questions posed at myself-
Merlin pushloc revs, Im 15st. They do blow through the travel, they do need a bit more compression damping without resorting to fully on with floodgate as is the option with these forks. Tried 15psi less negative, its a bit better, might reduce it further until it stops moving on small stuff.
cruff:
ducking all the handbags for a second and answering any questions posed at myself-Merlin pushloc revs, Im 15st.
*dodges gucci manbag*
Cheers for that. Hopefully at a slightly portly 12stone i should be ok then.
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