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Cyclist / cycle lane / "road rage" video
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clodhopperFree Member
“I never suggested not fighting prejudice. I just said set the standard when it comes to how you use the road. The two aren’t mutually exclusive.”
What you actually said was:
“You’re on your bike, you’re an ambassador, set the standard.”
Which is your personal view. One which others don’t share. We cannot be held responsible for the attitudes and prejudices of other individuals. If some idiot has got it into their head that ‘all cyclists bad’, I very much doubt my ‘good’ riding will change their mind in any way; their mindset is to look for the negative, in order to reinforce their own prejudice. It’s down to them to educate themselves and stop being prejudiced pricks, not for me to go out of my way to ‘respect’ them.
As for that copper; 30 years and still only having a relatively lowly rank, and having to drive around in heavy traffic, breathing in noxious fumes. He can’t have been a particularly good police officer.
TheSanityAssassinFull Memberv8ninety – Member
probably says more about your own internal bias than anything constructive about the video, TBH. I’m sure I’m slave to my own biases, but they both acted like pig headed dicks in my eyes. Neither listened to one another, and both repeated what they wanted to say without accepting or even acknowledging the others perspective.
No, it says more about my view of what the video shows. Without the copper being arsey the bloke just rides home without incident and there’s no footage on YouTube. I’d quite rightly be annoyed if a copper stopped me for no bloody reason too, and especially with an attitude like his. And before you imply some kind of negative bias towards HM finest, I lead weekly road rides for my club that include several coppers – none of which give it the ‘big I am’. They’re riding mates that crack on like everybody else.
v8ninetyFull MemberI’d quite rightly be annoyed if a copper stopped me for no bloody reason too
So you are happy to accept that the cyclist was ‘annoyed’ then? And you can tell by his actions, mannerisms, vocalisations? So basically he was being a bit of a dick then? Good. I’m glad that we agree.
And it wasn’t for nothing, was it? It was (rightly or wrongly) because the cyclist decided to suddenly change lanes into the same road space as the police car, right after having berated said police car for agressive behaviour. It was a bit like the worst thought out punishment pass ever, really. It was kind of a forgone conclusion; like dodgy gay porn, it was dick on dick action.
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Latest Singletrack VideosFresh Goods Friday 696: The Middlin...JunkyardFree MemberI’m glad that we agree.
Yes that is definitely what is happening here
You would have to show “rightly annoyed” and ” being a dick” were synonyms
I think you might struggle to do this.TheSanityAssassinFull MemberSo in your world anyone that gets annoyed by someone else being arsey is a bit of a dick? The arsey copper stopped the cyclist to give him the ‘benefit’ of his opinion. The cyclist didn’t want to either be stopped unnecessarily or listen to the copper’s opinion, neither would I, and neither would most other folk. Coppers are public servants, paid to uphold the law. If the cyclist had done something illegal then the copper could have reasonably decided to do something about it. As the video shows, he backed off because he met his match when trying to throw his weight around.
*edit for autocorrect typo.
v8ninetyFull MemberIt comes down to whether or not you think that the copper had any right to pull the bloke over and talk to him, doesn’t it. I reckon, on balance of probabilities, there’s a fair chance that he had a point, TBH. (Appreciate others think different). He didnt tell the cyclist that he should have been in the cycle lane (which is what the cyclist seemed to be hoping) and he did have a point about use of the horn. Swerving into lanes with motor vehicles moving at speed without even doing a shoulder check (which is what the other rider did, and what it seems the copper thinks the cyclist did too) IS a way of getting yourself smeared over the road. Yes, copper handled it badly, but so did the cyclist. He could have at least listened to the coppers point of view, and the copper could have patiently waited until the cyclist ran out of steam, and talked to him in an adult manner, instead of being a patronising grumpy plod. However the cyclist was a bit of a smarmy know it all, looking for a confrontation (is my impression) and obviously wasn’t interested in listening. A pair of prize plums.
teamhurtmoreFree MemberWe need a new collective noun for a group of people caught in camera v car videos – a knob of, a go-pro of, – as both parties are normally at fault.
Cyclist rode like a bit of a tit. Copper acted like a compete tit and despite the cyclist being a knob, good for him for standing up the the copper’s attempt to intimidate him.
If the copper is/was so concerned about road safety why did he not stop the VW who pulled out like a **** into the traffic??
Singlespeed_ShepFree MemberThe cyclist didn’t want to either be stopped unnecessarily or listen to the copper’s opinion, neither would I, and neither would most other folk
Most other cyclists wouldn’t swerve out in front of a car let alone a cap car either.
If the cyclist had looked over his shoulder and moved out into clear space or waited the whole situation could have been avoided.
It was kind of a forgone conclusion; like dodgy gay porn, it was dick on dick action.
Nail on head.
gauss1777Free MemberI agree with Brooess and Cougar and have little to add, however:
“As a pedestrian, mountain biker & car driver in that order, I though the road rider was riding like a total b@llend weaving around like that.”
I have gone back to look at the video several times and I just don’t see the weaving, if it was filmed from behind you might be able to tell, but as it is. The cyclist did appear to move out of his lane slightly, but was still a good distance away from the police car. I’m a goody two shoes but I wouldn’t hesitate to cycle like that (clearly the cycle lane is far too narrow, they should have one full lane for cyclists and another for motorised & faster moving cyclists).
As far as I’m concerned the police officer should be spoken to about abusing his power.CougarFull Memberthey both acted like pig headed dicks in my eyes.
But enough about David Cameron.
He didnt tell the cyclist that he should have been in the cycle lane (which is what the cyclist seemed to be hoping) and he did have a point about use of the horn.
Are you sure? It’s hard to tell exactly what he says over the wind noise, but he shouted something about cycle lanes twice (I think) when he was still in the car. He only changed his tune when the rider asked him directly presumably because he’d worked out by then that the cyclist knew full well that he was allowed to be in the road.
As for the horn, sure, he was potentially alerting other road users to his presence the first time he hit it; but I’d suggest that they were then all well aware of his presence before the verbal tirade and the 37 other horn blasts which followed.
v8ninetyFull MemberAre you sure? It’s hard to tell exactly what he says over the wind noise, but he shouted something about cycle lanes twice (I think) when he was still in the car.
I’m not sure, but it’s the impression I got. I don’t for a second think that the copper wasn’t a prize plonker either though. The line that the cyclist took, especially if their had already been words about staying in the cycle lane, was particularly pillocky too. In the context of the rider having a bee in his bonnet about a suggestion that he should stay in the cycle lane, it looks a lot like it was deliberate in order to provoke a reaction from the copper. That to me strikes me as just as nobjockish behaviour as the copper, IMHO, of course. It looks like he was a good 10′ from the cycle lane at one point, whilst maintaining an intersecting course with the police car, it looks to me.
Singlespeed_ShepFree MemberI’ve watched it a couple more times, and isn’t it actually the cyclist in the respro mask that causes the initial pip of the horn as he moves infront of the cop car as traffic starts moving,
The verbal interaction just after the corner seems to be between the copper and respro dude, at which point the camera cyclist cuts up the police car by riding past the passenger front wing and straight to the centre of the lane in front of the copper,
v8ninetyFull Memberat which point the camera cyclist cuts up the police car by riding past the passenger front wing and straight to the centre of the lane in front of the copper
Call me a cynic if you like, but it’s almost as if the camera cyclist spotted a good opportunity to wind up plod and obtain some self righteous footage that will cause a mini furore on forums across the land/hits on his YouTube channel…
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