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  • Crufts German Shepherd outrage
  • monde
    Free Member

    All kicked off at Crufts again this year after the abomination that is the Kennel Club allowing the breeding standard of the German Shepherd to get this far!!

    The video shows too deformed dogs that seem unhappy and barely able to walk winning best in class. 8 years ago the breeding standards of this GSD were bought into question and by the looks of it nothing has been done! KC is now backtracking after all the criticism but you only need to look at all the other so called show standards of working dogs (fat labs, ridgebacks being deformed etc) and realise that something is going seriously wrong.

    I always though the KC were trying to help dogs but their continued support of this beauty pageant could seriously harm there credibility.

    [video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBq6gM0sI7A[/video]

    Drac
    Full Member

    Disgusting the KC members and Judge that allowed the dog through should be ashamed.

    Duffer
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    I’m not familiar with German Shepherds. What is the issue with the breeding standard? Is it their hips?

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    funkrodent
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    What is being done is downright disgusting. Such beautiful dogs and reduced to this. Pedigree = inbreeding, end of story and unfortunately these abominations are the natural end product. Was out on the hills today with my lab/shepherd/collie cross. Beautiful dog, intelligent, strong, athletic. Everything a dog should be, makes my blood boil to see something like this. ****!

    zippykona
    Full Member

    Dog breeders aren’t my favourite people and they all smell of wee.

    monde
    Free Member

    Basically yes. The new show standard is for a sloping back which apparently is aesthetically pleasing but is causing hip dysplasia and other problems. The breed has just been split in two by the working look and show look

    The below article sums it up well

    http://www.examiner.com/article/sloping-vs-straight-back-german-shepherds

    garage-dweller
    Full Member

    Iirc they are supposed to be flat blacked but there was a fashion/trend for breeding dogs whose hips were lower than their shoulders with a sloping back. As I understand it this puts undue strain on the hips in a breed that can suffer in this area even in good specimens.

    This rewarding of effectively unhealthy dogs as prize winners leads to the trend being bred in to the breed to the detriment of the animals.

    To those more knowledgeable does that sum it up roughly?

    chewkw
    Free Member

    Something is not right about those hind legs and their curve spines … 😯

    br
    Free Member

    The breed has just been split in two by the working look and show look

    That’s not unusual, we’ve working-breed Spaniels, a Cocker and Springer and they look nothing like the show dogs.

    joolsburger
    Free Member

    This is completely wrong and exactly why I hate the Kennel Club.

    somafunk
    Full Member

    I always though the KC were trying to help dogs

    Not trying to inflame your thread but why on earth would you believe that the kennel club are compatible with a dogs health?, their behaviour with regard to selective breeding for a specific look has been absolutely disgusting for countless years, Bulldogs, King Charles Spaniels, Boxer’s, etc…the kennel club and breed standards should be outlawed as what they strive to achieve has absolutely nothing to do with ensuring a dog’s good health.

    butcher
    Full Member

    I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone would think that a dog struggling like that is aesthetically pleasing. It’s disabled.

    bjj.andy.w
    Free Member

    Op – Ridgebacks being deformed ? Please explain.

    Jamz
    Free Member

    The dogs in that video are in a shockingly back state! I dont understand how people can own them, and why does the audience sit around like nothing is wrong? Apathetic fools.

    Our only Shepherd was put down when her back legs failed. It’s absolutley heartbreaking.

    thegreatape
    Free Member

    I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone would think that a dog struggling like that is aesthetically pleasing. It’s disabled.

    I was going to make a joke about Crufts being the dog Paralympics, then thought better of it and started reading about Crufts and the kennel club, and then discovered there is also a Paracrufts event. Perhaps these should be in that?

    mrsfry
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    Time this type of thing was knocked on the head. The dogs have changed/mutated so much from what they originally looked like.

    suburbanreuben
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    Op – Ridgebacks being deformed ? Please explain.

    http://pedigreedogsexposed.blogspot.co.uk/2011/09/ridge-too-far.html

    Northwind
    Full Member

    Someone has to…

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    This thread makes me want to break a KC judge’s legs then award them best of breed as they drag themselves away. It’s so grim. And they probably think they love dogs. I can see maybe aesthetically,that’s a nice shape for a dog but not if it doesn’t bloody work properly. There’s something just incomprehensibly wrong about that sort of calculated cruelty, it’s not like kicking a dog or neglecting it, it’s actually worse I think 🙁

    monde
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    Regarding the KC I suffered from naivety and lack of exposure to them in all honesty. Grew up with working dogs abroad (falklands & South Africa) where dogs really do work and breeding is only done on proven useful dogs, not by looks!
    The KC exposure I have had in the UK has been limited to health/lineage docs from German Pointer breeders who are basically moorland farmers breeding dogs for themselves! Didn’t realise the extent of the breed manipulation they have especially within the so called “show” world.

    A lot of ridgebacks in the UK have been known to be culled by breeders if they dont show the ridge on their backs to keep standards up apparently. This however is starting to deform the breed as 1 in 20 ridgebacks don’t have the ridge naturally and this genetic tweaking of the breed for a bigger ridge is causing issues. In SA knew plenty of ridgebacks without the ridge! Haven’t met one here.

    epicyclo
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    bjj.andy.w – Member
    Op – Ridgebacks being deformed ?…

    I’m interested in the answer to that question too.

    I spent a chunk of my childhood in the bush in the middle of Tanganyika. One of the family friends was a hunter and used to come visiting with a Landrover full of ridgebacks (and guns). These dog were large and rangy, and no fat, what you may call “cut”, rippling with muscle and scars. I was promised a puppy, but then unfortunately we had to come back to the UK.

    Many years later in Oz I was given a pedigree ridgeback with champion parents, and it grew up into what looked to me like a large heavy (55kg) Labrador that just happened to have a ridge. Nothing like the dogs I remembered, and none of the ridgebacks I have seen since are either.

    I don’t like the dogs with sloping backs – looks too much like a hyena.

    loddrik
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    The breeders are trying to turn German Shepherds into hyenas.

    Meanwhile, scandal reported at crufts Africa as breeders there try to turn hyenas into German Shepherds…

    ourmaninthenorth
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    What’s sad is that none of this is new news (I recall theGerman Shepherd outrage in the 1980s) but I’m amazed that, after it was unceremoniously turfed off the BBC because of the breeding practices, it’s now back on terrestrial TV within apparently renewed air of legitimacy.

    People complain vehemently about the prospect of genetically modified crops, but this level of genetic manipulation in canines is treated with the proverbial blind eye.

    forzafkawi
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    ourmaninthenorth – Member

    What’s sad is that none of this is new news (I recall theGerman Shepherd outrage in the 1980s) but I’m amazed that, after it was unceremoniously turfed off the BBC because of the breeding practices, it’s now back on terrestrial TV within apparently renewed air of legitimacy.

    People complain vehemently about the prospect of genetically modified crops, but this level of genetic manipulation in canines is treated with the proverbial blind eye.

    Yes, I seem to remember several years ago the BBC going undercover with breeders and the Kennel Club to highlight the disgusting inbreeding practices going on. That was when they stopped coverage of Crufts and there was a big hoo-ha at the time which has obviously been forgotton now. I haven’t watched Crufts since that time either.

    We had a German Shepard which was hip scored at the time and she never suffered with the problems described. The breeder we bought her from knew all about it and educated us then what was going on in the dog breeding world. This was over twenty years ago but it’s obviously been going on a lot longer than that.

    If I was to buy any sort of pedigree dog now I would research things very carefully or probably just buy a bitsa.

    mitsumonkey
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    It’s disgusting it’s always ‘form before fitness’ with the Kennel Club.
    This just underlines my comment on the Cavachon dog thread on here, If there’s a choice forget the show Kennel and buy from the working kennel.

    Drac
    Full Member

    The coverage last night condemned the decision by the judge and mentioned the previous problems with GSDs and that this practice should stop.

    wingnuts
    Full Member

    Just watched it and was shocked at the state they were in. Last GS I knew well was owned by a bloke in North Wales Mountain Search & Rescue. It was a monster that was wonderful to behold. Stood on its hind legs and paws on your shoulders before licking you to death. Cant imagine those KC specimens climbing into anything.

    mitsumonkey
    Free Member

    You could always email the Kennel Club and let them know what you think.
    http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/contact-us/

    anagallis_arvensis
    Full Member

    Its thecway there wrists(whatever its called in a dog) of the back legs are collapsed almost to the floor. Disgusting animal cruelty encouraged by the Kennel club.

    bikebouy
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    I used to go to Crufts back in the early 90’s, it was a great show back then, even took my two Springers up one year..

    But by 96′ it’d turned into pooches and modified breeds, harsh breeding programmes and dysfunctional judges.

    I’ve boycotted it and the programme ever since.

    We’ll never stop their practice for promoting poor health and breeding. There are a committed few in the inner sanctum of the KC that actively promote morphed breeding.

    Best thing you can do is boycott the Programme and never go to the shows.

    mountainman
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    Dog shows n bread standards is a corrupt world that is only fed by demand .

    My inlaws used to show Bernese mountain dogs ,they would only pick shows where they said (the judge likes our dogs) in other words a biased judge.
    Had many a discussion about it all being a big fix .

    I’ll stick to my Heinz dogs any day ,loyal n no constant vet bills.

    neilwheel
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    It’s just a bunch of narcissists parading their toys in front of each other.

    yunki
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    aracer
    Free Member

    I bet those GSD at Crufts couldn’t do that – horrible practices in the name of “beauty”

    somouk
    Free Member

    I don’t understand why they don’t just disqualify the judge and the dogs, just stop showing them and then the issue will go away. Breeders will stop breeding the show strain of dogs and let the breed return to how it should be.

    tpbiker
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    Wasn’t aware of this, but agree its disgusting.

    Was out on the hills today with my lab/shepherd/collie cross. Beautiful dog, intelligent, strong, athletic

    I have one of those!!! The way a dog should be, not reduced to prancing about for the vanity of their owner.

    neilthewheel
    Full Member

    Why not email the sponsors and tell them you will be boycotting their products until they end their association with these practises?

    TurnerGuy
    Free Member

    they should break the hips/legs of those breeders so they can empathise with the dogs…

    franksinatra
    Full Member

    How do you actually breed dogs to look like that? I don’t understand the practicalities of it. Do they get two dos with slightly slopping back to breed to have puppies with very slopping backs?

    ourmaninthenorth
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    @ franksinatra – then repeat that cycle really fast with the one “perfect” example producing offspring with its close relatives and, in the name of weird vanity, a breed is ruined.

    EDIT: here’s a site whowing how some breeds have changed over the last 100 years, allegedly as a result of selective breeding practices.

    neilwheel
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    How do you actually breed dogs to look like that? I don’t understand the practicalities of it. Do they get two dos with slightly slopping back to breed to have puppies with very slopping backs?

    There’s a fair chance that those two dogs will be put together, breeding more disabled animals with the owners making a massive amount of money from other shallow, mentally pathetic people who want to do the same.

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