Contador's only defence is that he ingested the banned substance accidentally. That others dope, or that the level was below the level of detection in many laboratories is irrelevant.
Proof is required, not supposition.
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Contador, the new anti christ!
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Junkyard - Member
No one is saying no one else cheats. What they are saying is that when someone is caught cheating [ or with illegal doping agents in their blood if you prefer] then the rules need to be applied.
those who "defend" Contador by saying others cheat - what would you suggest we ido about the positive result?I know it's not that simple, it's just castigating only those that get caught seems a little simple-minded.
Recent comments on Millar etc. FWIW I'd be surprised if they weren't all doping, and it's those that get caught that are unlucky.
But then am a stupid liberal that has some leanings towards the "once someone's been punished let them move on" camp.
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Condador hasn't been punished yet...
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When can we start doing all the "Glen" jokes? That thread was much funnier
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aye all I forget who but someone asserts that until the times start dropping in the tour he will consider they are still doping
It is interesting I am asure they all take supplements just legal ones.Either way it sullies the Tour how many champions recently have /will be stripped of their title
Real man too subtle
oh and Darcy you can do it glen you like
IGMC and which thread missed itPosted 10 months ago # -
all the greats doped. Mercx, Coppi, Hinault. They all did it. take grand tours for what they are. great occasions, incredible athletes, high drama, and don't get too upset when one of the riders tests positive.
Its a lot more fun this way!!!
I forget who but someone asserts that until the times start dropping in the tour he will consider they are still doping
Times have dropped since the late 90s, early 2000s
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Here's the chap with the steak on a stick BTW.
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As has been said, the counter to the defence of "it was in such small quantities he wouldn't have gotten any benefit so why do it knowingly" is he took blood during the off/early season and had used a much higher dose of clenbuterol a few days before (for the lean cutting effect) but it he'd misjudged it so a trace was still in his blood. On the TdF rest day (when it showed up), he'd reinjected the stored blood (the perfect time to do it) and that's why it was detected.
Ofc he's not the only one doping in this year's race but you can only deal with those you catch and in this case it's not even the usual contaminated sample defence being used so simply put he shouldn't be racing. Imagine if Schlek is actually clean, not only has he been denied the honour of last year's win but the same could happen again.
And does anyone really believe he gets a steak delivered especially from Spain and they can't even remember the source?!
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So all the booing then, because of chaingate or beef gate? Or both? He got lots of boos and jeers last year before the doping problems came to light.
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Its the doping this time around, think he only got booed for the chain thing on the podium that day didn't he?
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Contador is the most visible symbol for the utter balls up he, his Lawyers, the Spanish Federation, UCI, Wada & CAS have managed to make of this whole situation.
(imho) That's why he's getting booed, and he and they deserve it.
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pretty sure the Spanish Beef producers association were pretty p1ssed by his defence, as the use of substances such as this are illegal throughout the EU in beef production. Maybe Contador didnt want to name Fuentes Farm as being a source of steroid-loaded beef...
And what happened to the plasticizer element of the accusation-again found in minute quantities but if corroborated would have supported the transfusion theory?
I actually came down on his side in chaingate, Schlek didnt just suffer a mechanical he made a schoolboy error whilst making an attack, and contador counter-attacked. Any time he did gain only offset schlek benefiting from cancellara killing the wet stage when schlek crashed and contador would have put a chunk of time into him.
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Samurai, thanks for digging that out, it makes me chuckle and a very surreal couple of hundred meters on the road.
What I object to about this whole affair is the duplicity - any other rider would be unceremoniously booted out.
The Spanish authorities and WADA dragged their heels, and now the UCI are in cahoots. It makes a mockery of the sport, though I can't see how they'd have the nerve to strip him after the Tour. No one is suggesting it's a clean sport - the point is to clean it up, regardless of how big a star the offender is , and do it consistently. That's the only way to get the message across.He may have aright to be there, but his presence isn't good for the sport, or him IMO. At least with him being so far down on time already he'll be attacking more this time (as per the Giro).
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UCI need to sort things out. Pretty much end of story.
Contador, who i think is a superb athlete and tactician (with team), had compounds found in plastics when the positive was flagged indicating that there is the possibility that he was blood doping.
But he's been flagged as a drug cheat before (2006 from memory)if it is going to be zero tolerance why is he racing, or indeed a large number of the GC contenders.
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And what happened to the plasticizer element of the accusation-again found in minute quantities but if corroborated would have supported the transfusion theory?
The test for plasticizers isn't verified so it's not official so it can't be used to convict him. Same way as there wasn't a test for EPO in the early 90's and even when it came along it took a while for it to be verified. That's why everyone is so keen to test Armstrong's samples again.
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Crell - both WADA and UCI have appeals in against the Spanish federations decision to not ban him - awaiting and the court of arbitration or wahtever it is called at the moment and delayed and delayed by contadors team of lawyers so he can ride in this tour.
UCI and WADA are not at fault here IMO
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That's why everyone is so keen to test Armstrong's samples again.
They have been are are positive for EPO
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Don't forget Armstrong was one of the first athletes to fail a cortisone test when it was developped in 99. The UCI accepted and ante-dated medical certificate againt their own rules at the time but it still stands as one of the first cortisone positives in cycling and means that Armstrong is lying through his teeth every tiem he comes out with the never-tested-positive line.
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what tj said both times and crazy legs re plasticisers
Worst thing is it make such a mockery of the sport and the new breed of [ hopefully] clean competitors
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Can't wait for the proper hills, it's going to be epic when ANGRY ALBERTO GETS GOING.
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What's all this nonsense about riders climbing slower these days? No-one has ever climbed as fast as Contador up the Verbier climb with 1860m/h
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Munqe-chick - Member
Schlek didnt just suffer a mechanical he made a schoolboy error whilst making an attack,So you have guaranteed ways of avoinding chain-dropping
TandemJeremy - Member
They have been are are positive for EPO
All your base are belong to us?Posted 10 months ago # -
All your base are belong to us?
Could not have put it better myself
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So you have guaranteed ways of avoinding chain-dropping
Dont try to sprint in the small chain ring/small rear cog combo as the lack of tension in the chain can cause it to skip or drop?
So in short, yes. Seem to remember Sean Kelly in the studio being totally scathing, saying he wouldnt expect a club level racer to make such a mistake.
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Dont try to sprint in the small chain ring/small rear cog combo as the lack of tension in the chain can cause it to skip or drop?
he didn't do that! he tried to change to the big blade under load.
Edukator, I didn't say climbing, i said average speed, over the whole three weeks, has dropped quite a bit in the last few years.
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You should be able to sprint in a 42-12 or whatever IMO.
Poor etiquette IMO, but I guess youngsters have less and less manners these days
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*pops in for a quick look round* Nothing new to see here. *leaves*
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warton, the point more experienced road racers than I made was that he should already have been in the big ring when he decided to launch the attack. He didnt, he attacked in the small ring, ran out of gears and had to try shift to the big ring mid "sprint". Small/small gives you least chain tension and the most chance of something going wrong.
Ryder Hesjdal said:
"if you start a fight and drop your sword, you are dead"
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UCI need to sort things out. Pretty much end of story.
Sort of true but the UCI did at least try, CAS set the hearing then Contador's legal team having had a whole year to sort out their argument which they'd been through with the UCI and the Spanish Federation needed 'more time'. So in this particular case the issue is with Contador IMO.Contador, who i think is a superb athlete and tactician (with team), had compounds found in plastics when the positive was flagged indicating that there is the possibility that he was blood doping.
There's no accepted test for plasticizers so he can't be banned for this. I think they're working on accepting the tests.But he's been flagged as a drug cheat before (2006 from memory)if it is going to be zero tolerance why is he racing, or indeed a large number of the GC contenders.
There's no zero tolerance rule. Perhaps it's time to reel in the lure
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there is strict liability tho and there is no acceptable level for clenbuterol. So he should be serving a ban
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he didn't do that! he tried to change to the big blade under load.
He's riding a knife?
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