I was at the game, I listened to the radio on the way home, I read the reports (both broadsheet & tabloid), Ive seen the replays..You seem to be the only one who thinks the Ref did a good job last night!
Read this:
And this:
And this:
I dont need to argue when the facts are there to be seen..And lastly will you or will you not tell me what my contradictory statement was???
Personally I think there were 3 that werent given: the 1st on Malouda which was inside the box, the 2nd against DD who if he stayed on his feet a little more probably wld hv got the pen & the 3rd against Pique..However we should have had the game won once they went down to 10 men.
So you jolly well have not actually provided facts, just other people's onions.
The ref was poor, He made mistakes. Refs do. They are human.
He din't give one penalty that shooduv been. The others; I've explained why I think the referee made correct decisions.
And Barça were denied a penalty first leg.
So, you're getting sand in yer knickers over nowt, really. Face it; Chelsea weren't good enough to beat Barca over 2 legs, according to the rules of the game.
You'll get over it. It's a common thing by now, surely, Yerpean disappointment?
Or are you going to bang on and on about it for years, like Chelsea fans do about Garcia's goal (Which wooduv been a pen anyway, had the ref not given it)?
A mate sent me a thing he'd read on a footy forum, after last year's CL Final. Some Chelsea fan was bleating on about how the final should never have been held in a stadium with no roof, as the rain led to JT's penalty miss. Wish I still had the link, it was hilarious.
At this point, with the game now won, I'm bringing off my best players, to save them for the next game.
Might try out a couple of youngsters, give 'em a bit of sperience...
Rude all your doing is posting yr opinions (not facts) - wheres the difference in my posting opinions that I happen to agree with & are put more eloquently than I could..Are you just ducking the fact that the groundswell of opinion is in my favour?? And you still havent answered my question - where in my post was I contradictory?
I provided 3 different sources for you to look at..Did you read any of them? It seems that despite your procrastinations that the brit press is biased in its reporting, even the Spanish press agreed the Ref had a shocker..Are they biased too?
As for your 1st team - not good enough for the Coca Cola mate..
Blimey, that attack on goal by you has led to a corner at your end!
Rude all your doing is posting yr opinions (not facts)
Wrong. I've posted facts, about the rules of the game. something you seem to want to ignore, in your desire to 'prove' that your team wuz robbed.
I read 2 of your sources; the first one is invalid. 404 error. Offside flag raised.
I'm merely trying to be objective, and have consideration for the actual rules of football, rather than bleating on about refs this and that, like many newspaper reports seem to. And of the Spainish press quoted, some of the onions originate from Madrid sources. So, hardly unbiased!
The contradiction is in your statement about 'nothing being Machavellian', yet then immediately going on to accuse Platini and Blatter of being 'xenophobic' towards English sides. So what are you saying then?
Shot on goal goes out for a throw-in.
I've already stated I thought the ref had a poor game. I was not arguing that point.
Coca Cola? You'd get laughed off Hackney Marshes! 
FWIW I'm a Liverpool fan - as in I go the games home and away. I believe the ref did have a stinker and the crop of handle ball decisions could have gone either way - seen loads like that in the Premiership over the years so it's a case of getting on with it. If Chelsea had scored more goals we wouldn't even be discussing it!
The sending off clearly wasn't - Anelka tripped over his own legs but are we as English fans going on about that?
The tackle on Malouda should have been given as a penalty but I believe that's the only clear cut one. You could even see the pitch cut up in the box. Ref - you dropped one.
As for Drogba - he is the biggest cheating player I've ever seen. His sending off cost Chelsea last years cup - his tantrums early season cost his team points - and you call Anelka the sulk! His reputation goes before him, the tackle in the box on him was shirt pulling yes - but enough to put him down? No - he lost control of the ball and he knew the keeper was going get it so he went down - he dived!. He's a big strong player and shouldn't go down that easy. He's like that other great puff - Heskey, any slight breeze and he's over. My dislike for Drogba pleases me they didn't go through but for genuine players like Terry & Lampard I think it's a shame.
I also believe if Jamie Redknapp, who I repsect very much did have a pop at the ref, it was in defence of his family member in the team. I also believe we would all act the same too - no matter how professional we are supposed to be.
So congratulations Barca - hope you stuff the Manc scum pmsl.
So congratulations Barca - hope you stuff the Manc scum pmsl.
Jeebus H C - don't you just despise that sort of attitude? (And no, I am not a Manyuu fan). In fact Leeds are my team, so I could have every bit as much reason to 'hate' them as any 'Pool supporter. Just grow up, support the English team in the final and leave all this schoolyard cr*p behind please.
"Jeebus H C - don't you just despise that sort of attitude? (And no, I am not a Manyuu fan). In fact Leeds are my team, so I could have every bit as much reason to 'hate' them as any 'Pool supporter. Just grow up, support the English team in the final and leave all this schoolyard cr*p behind please."
Um, why should I support Man U in the final? They're not my team, and the club's not even particularly English. I'm just looking forward to a good match.
The ref's had to be smuggled out of the country, following death threats. Will we see another ref give up the game, due to threats from brainless morons? And the actions of some of the Chelsea players will have served only to inflame the situation. In my mind, the ref's made 2 crucial mistakes, but as things panned out, the game finished even, which was probbly about right. Chelsea had one legitimate penalty denied, and Barça had a player sent off because Anelka dived (again). The referee's job is hard enough as it is, for a tiny fraction of the rewards the players get. Drogba and Bollack's behaviour was disgusting and unacceptable. Lengthy bans for both.
Simple solution- ban Chelsea from Yerp for a season or two. If their players and fans can't behave, and show the game respect, then they should be deprived the honour and privilege of competing in Yerp's greatest club competition.
A team that cheats does not in any way deserve owt. Let's hope there's no repeat for the Cup Final.
I had begun to have a bit of respect for Chelsea after the quarter final. Fair play, they came to Anfield and took Liverpool apart. The 4-4 draw...well, that was one of those games. And I felt a lot had been done to repair some of the bad feeling between the sides - you could see genuine respect between the players and (most of) the fans. Liverpool went to Chelsea needing goals, they got some, played as openly as they could but Chelsea equalled them on the night...great game, some great football.
And then this shite from last night. FFS, MFTU and take your beating. They parked the bus in the Nou Camp and expect to go through because of this? What? Eh? A few refereeing decisions don't go your way...one clear penalty. A good bit of the game against ten men and they still contrive to let the other crowd score an away goal. Nice. As for Drogba...sounds like he's going to be punished anyway and I hope they throw the book at him. Ballack should be punished too for chasing after the ref the way he did. God knows what would have happened if Terry had been there.
I'm delighted it's not two English teams in the final...and lets face it, it's probably the two best sides in Europe fighting it out for the trophy.
Who dares wins.
The ref made 2 mistakes.
1)The Piquet handball was a pen
2)The sending off. Anelkas inability to stay on his feet is his own problem.
Ballack should have walked too so make it 3.
Barca deserved the win but I was gutted for Chelsea.
Who dares wins.
Well put. Usually true when it comes to the business end of the UCL.
Although, can anyone remember that awful Red Star side that won the old EC having played for pens the whole game ? Packed full of talented players too IIRC
I hear that "last minute.com" is Chelsea's new shirt sponsor.
Can anyone recommend a good satnav? I think mine is buggered. I just typed in Chelsea and it said it was only 2 minutes from Rome!
In all seriousness though, its not the first time that the Spanish have helped out the Italians by preventing the mongol hordes from sacking Rome.
Yes but they are YOUR interpretations of the rules of the game...Doesnt make you right though does it? The rules are open to interpretation..
Personally Im siding with the majority of the sport journos who think the CFC should have had at LEAST 2 pens..Im not ignoring the rules of the game, I just dont agree with your interpretation of them. I have a friend within the PL Ref circle, I will speak to him & see what he thinks. He is an ex 1st Div Ref & used to coach a number of PL refs.
And finally, you answered my question. I do believe that nothing sinister was present last night, nothing at all honestly. But, I do believe that Blatter & Platini have an anti PL bias..I think most fans would agree that. At no point did I say there was a "plot" against CFC.
Probably the most unfortunate player in this piece is the Ref. If UEFA were to move with the times & embrace modern tech then perhaps we wldnt have these problems. After all, most sports today use video tech in some aspect e.g. Tennis, Rugby, Cricket, the Olympics, Horse Racing has been doing it for years!
Probably the most unfortunate player in this piece is the Ref. If UEFA were to move with the times & embrace modern tech then perhaps we wldnt have these problems.
Personally, I don't think the ref got things wrong because he didn't see them properly (apart from Anelka tripping himself up), he got them wrong because of poor interpretation on the handballs and because he bottled the Alves decision. A poor choice by UEFA, clearly out of his depth.
Yes but they are YOUR interpretations of the rules of the game...Doesnt make you right though does it? The rules are open to interpretation..
You're getting boring now. You go and talk to your mate. I dare say the ref at the game last night might be a tad more suited to the game, than you or I. UEFA don't tend to chose crap refs too often, for such important games.
Personally Im siding with the majority of the sport journos who think the CFC should have had at LEAST 2 pens.
Who aren't referees, either. So their onions or no more valid than yours or mine. Their job is to sell stories; 'Controversial' decisions make for more exciting copy.
Dry your eyes. Shit happens. Get over it, and move on.
And if you want to see what a CL trophy looks like, I believe Liverpool and Man U's trophy rooms have a couple... 
I'm a qualified - albeit no longer active - referee. My 2p
The Ref was poor - very poor.
1/ The Malouda free kick / penalty - that was bottled. First contact outside the box, but the foul that he finally gave was inside. That would have taken a strong decision to give it though, and giving the freekick outside was probably judicious application of Law 18.
2/ Drogba and the shirt pull. Clear penalty, since according to the laws holding or pulling is a foul and according to the IBD (international board decision) is also a mandatory caution. Again, harsh but they are the laws. Unfortunately Drogba's theatricals don't accentuate the offence, they mask it.
3/ Anelka foul /sending off. I can see this both ways, may have been a trip, may have been two guys simply catching feet running for the same ball, but again, Anelka has gone on a stride or two before going down. In my mind at the time I thought foul, in replay he could easily have gone on and had a clear run on goal. Why did he opt to go down - did he bottle having the clear chance?
4/ The first handball. Yes, I think that was clearly missed. Might not have been absolutely deliberate but was enough to convince me.
5/ The Eto'o handball. Can't see that; he had his back turned, it hasn't hit an extended / upraised arm, and even in replay it took a while before I was convinced it was arm as opposed to shoulder blade. That would have been incredibly hard to give and as a referee at that point of the game and competition you're only going to give the decision you are 100.0% convinced you have right.
And while we're at this point, might I point out that there are no rules of the game; it's rules of the competition, like 2 legs, away goals, etc. The game is played according to the laws, and anyone quoting the 'rules' clearly hasn't actually read the Laws.
http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/lawsofthegame.html
Try reading them - you might be surprised particularly by some interpretations / IBD's
Laws/rules same thing! 
Good to have a proper ref to give an onion..
Re the Dogbra dive; in the clips I've seen, it's possible there was another player who may have obstructed the referee's clear view of the shirt pull. I doubt the linesman would have had a clear view either. The referee can only make a decision based on what he/she sees, or what their assistants inform them of. From where the ref was, he would possibly have only seen Dogbra diving. Let's face it, Dogbra is notorious for cheating, and has admitted as much, so he's his own worst enemy in that one. Karma.
The laws of competition state that the referee's decision is final, no? Therefore, it is irrelevant what anyone else actually thinks. Although the ref had a poor game, I believe that he did his job as well as he possibly cooduv, so people should get off his back.
Whatever mistakes he may have made (2, really), this is nothing compared to the actions of certain Chelsea players, who have brought the game into disrepute.
And therefore do not deserve a big shiny cup.
Maybe they can console themselves one of these:
In all cases (unless you subscribe to these ridiculous conspiracy theories) the ref will only give what he sees, and as I've further said late on in a tense game with all that at stake, he'll only give what he is convinced is right.
It is entirely possible he didn't see any of the incidents clearly, but in turn that points to poor refereeing / positioning / inadequate instruction to his assistants about what he want them to watch for and so on.
Simply put - he actually got most of the major decisions wrong and that's why i would judge him as poor last night. He doesn't deserve the abuse /death threats but also he has to be accountable for his performance which was not up to standard, and certainly not for a game of that importance.
And as for Laws and Rules. They are different - end of. And any more backchat and I'll be getting my book out 
Ah, come on, ref! 
Don't worry Peter Kenyon still has a chance of an FA cup medal.
That's the great thing about football,it's never straight forward & it happens in every game.....
Anyway who cares, at least we will get a decent final now
While we're on the subject of refs getting it wrong, I'm almost tempted to feel sorry for Darren Fletcher.
Well, almost.
Just seen on the Beeb website, Dermot Gallacher's view on the 5 key decisions
He knows far more about reffing at that level than I do, but he agree's absolutely with me on the five incidents. Which is good, since we both follow the same set of laws.
Former Premier League Dermot Gallacher referee said he was surprised by Ovrebo's performance.He told the BBC: "Of the five key decisions he got three wrong - Drogba was a penalty, shirt pull and trip, and should have been a red card - the trip on Nicolas Anelka wasn't a foul, Eric Abidal is very, very unlucky. Gerard Pique was the easiest decision of the five, as it was a clear handball.
to trailmonkey:
that is imho ridiculous that matters such as this cannot by the rules of the competition be reviewed. I sympathise that the ref gave waht he saw on the night but to continue to penalise Fletcher for that error is very unjust. I know it's an extension of the same as discussed as above, that the Ref penalised Chelsea by failing to give penalties at crucial times, and maybe you can't pick and choose what's open to review for fear of what that precedent brings, but where's the logic and common sense?
Personally, I think that common sense should prevail. It's got to be understood that refs can and do make mistakes and suspensions should be open to appeal in the light of retrospective video evidence. It should be clear that the rules only apply to suspensions and that further subsequent actions could not be taken ie, a team demanding a replay because a player was wrongly sent off.
Laurent Blanc missing the 98 WCF is a prime example. With retrospective video evidence used in appeal, Blanc would have played in the final and we all would have been spared the horrors of Franc LeBeouf telling us endlessly that he had "won zee world cup"
Dermot Gallagher, like the rest of us, has had the benefit of seeing replays, and not had to make a split-second decision in the heat of the moment.
Time people got off the ref's back. This won't help him as an individual, and places even more pressure on referees. Their job is the hardest on the pitch, and they get paid a fraction of what the players do.
Chelsea have no right to moan anyway. Dogbra alone has cheated on countless occasions, as have most of the rest of the team. I remember Malouda diving on the floor to win a penalty against Liverpool, practically jumping onto a Liverpool defender, to fake a challenge. Dirty bastard.
IMO, justice has been served. UEFA should now jump all over Chelsea, and hand out some proper, effective punishments.
2-year ban from Yerpean competition. I think that's about right.
Wunundred!
Dermot Gallagher, like the rest of us, has had the benefit of seeing replays, and not had to make a split-second decision in the heat of the moment.
Back to my earlier post. The game, and refereeing at every level, is about making split-second decisions, and relies on people getting them right more often than not. He didn't, on 3/5 of the critical decisions, which isn't good enough.
But also as i said, the way that many top level players 'go down' so theatrically does not accentuate trips and pulls, but instead masks them, and that makes the decision making process far harder.
So they were honest mistakes, but mistakes just the same.
Without doubt, the ref made mistakes, but over the 2 legs, they seemed to even up. Barca should have had a pen in the first leg, and Ballack should've been sent off.
I like the way Fat Frank reacted - went out with family and drunk water and juice. Class, despite my disliking him for playing for the wrong team.
Rude - yeah & every other player is a saint huh? Time you got over yr hatred of CFC & moved on s posting pics of "your" Trophy Cabinet is kinda the last resort really!
Ah, diddums! Here's yer dummy back...
I don't hate Chelsea. They're not worthy of my hatred. Of too little significance, football wise.
Man U, on the other hand...
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