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  • 'Champagne Socialism' or absolute belief?
  • bex
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    From the first, let me be clear that I am NOT trolling here but would genuinely value a shared opinion…
    An acquaintance who has spent the past two weeks posting on social media about how Jeremy Corbyn and the equality for all issues he represents are the only way to follow and anyone who suggests otherwise is tantamount to a …Nazi isn’t too strong a word. Yet has now posted a link to the sale of her cottage and has claimed ‘had one offer already. Turned down, too low’. When does socialism as-long-as-it-suits-me become Capitalism? Just wondering.

    midlifecrashes
    Full Member

    You mean she has a surplus property and she hasn’t offered it to the refugees? How very dare she. 🙂

    Spin
    Free Member

    Socialism does not require one to take a vow of poverty.

    davidtaylforth
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    I think half the people who are vocal about Corbyn/Socialism etc. have no real interest/care/clue/understanding of him/it. They just do it because their peers are.

    Outside of Facebook/Social Media, you’d never catch them having a conversation/thinking about it

    wanmankylung
    Free Member

    Western Socialism innit.

    khani
    Free Member

    I actually think if Jeremy Corbyn bought a 29er the whole internet would disappear into a black hole shaped like an anus…

    Trekster
    Full Member

    Wee Nic and her SNP style of “democracy” is my current wranckle.

    Agree with us “or else”. The SNP way or no way/is the only way!! Sounding more cult like every day…….

    Seems to be a lot of this style/type of attitude prevailing atm, even at work 🙄

    wanmankylung
    Free Member

    Agree with us “or else”. The SNP way or no way/is the only way!! Sounding more cult like every day…….

    I’ve not been looking at the political news for a while. What have they been upto now?

    5thElefant
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    That’s the beauty of socialism. It’s other people’s money that you’re spending. 🙂

    convert
    Full Member

    OP, you are working on the presumption that socialism is a race to the bottom to find equality. It isn’t. There’s is nothing wrong in having prospered personally but wishing to live in a society which makes a greater priority of looking after it’s most disadvantaged. In fact, wishing for higher taxation of the wealthy to the help those in need if you are one of those that would face the higher tax could be said to be a more laudable position than wishing it on someone else so you can personally benefit.

    Also, although others will disagree, being a true socialist doesn’t mean you have to have had a frontal lobotomy and lost the ability to differentiate the true value of a commodity (in this case, her house).

    rone
    Full Member

    We aren’t always consistent with our actions and words. So what?

    It’s a greater a problem for society we were sold on trickle-down twaddle, which as an entrenched form of hypocrisy has done far more damage than a confused individual ever will.

    Onzadog
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    People see socialism in the same way they see traffic. Even when you’re stuck in the jam, you’re still thinking of traffic as everyone else but you.

    Junkyard
    Free Member

    Socialist dont have to be poor and trolls dont have to be so obvious.

    It changes at the point one cares more about money than people

    Hope the investment country property went ok for you

    doris5000
    Full Member

    OP, you are working on the presumption that socialism is a race to the bottom to find equality. It isn’t. There’s is nothing wrong in having prospered personally but wishing to live in a society which makes a greater priority of looking after it’s most disadvantaged. In fact, wishing for higher taxation of the wealthy to the help those in need if you are one of those that would face the higher tax could be said to be a more laudable position than wishing it on someone else so you can personally benefit.

    This x1000

    the tag of ‘champagne socialist’ has become a handy stick for the right to beat anyone who wants to wants to improve the lot of the poor. The argument goes that if you’re not living in a ditch eating mice and gruel then you’re a hypocrite for suggesting other people shouldn’t have to either.

    clearly, this argument doesn’t stand up to much scrutiny.

    rone
    Full Member

    That’s the beauty of socialism. It’s other people’s money that you’re spending.

    I think Capitalism has done okay out of other people’s money too.

    eatplants
    Free Member

    isn’t the NHS , state pension and free school socialism , nobody minds those things.

    Most previously labour lottery winners vote conservative after winning i read once

    bex
    Free Member

    Onzadog – thank you for a clear post
    . Maybe I’ve not read/ drunk enough, but as I said from the start – this was a plea for clarification, so I can only say to all of you that have been kind enough to post; make the most out of your private house sale; socialist or not?

    GrahamS
    Full Member

    What is the opposite of a “champagne socialist” I wonder?

    Homebrew Capitalist maybe?

    Spin
    Free Member

    make the most out of your private house sale; socialist or not?

    It’s got nothing to do with it. As I and several others have already said you don’t need to be poor to be a socialist.

    chewkw
    Free Member

    Socialist/communist/capitalist/dictatorship/monarchy whatever all have one thing in common.

    They are all elites residing at the top of hierarchy in the society while majority of the people are treated as scums … unless you are in the inner circle of course.

    😯

    convert
    Full Member

    make the most out of your private house sale; socialist or not?

    irrelevant

    deadlydarcy
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    Most previously labour lottery winners vote conservative after winning i read once

    Oft quoted – don’t really know if it’s true or not but it wouldn’t surprise me. Far from turning people into philanthropists, a sudden large injection of liquid cash would turn most people into paranoid, greedy, self-centred sociopaths (I wouldn’t even trust myself tbh). And as such, they’d have turned into natural Tories.

    bex
    Free Member

    Honestly. Honestly, seriously guys, this was a genuine query – simple question, how can you equate a plea to ‘give your home and all you’ve got’ Facebook message to ‘got an offer and turned it down. Too low [sic]

    eatplants
    Free Member

    i read it on the internet so it must be true 😆 , when i got a lum sum 10yrs ago my first thought was a new cbr600rr

    convert
    Full Member

    ‘give your home and all you’ve got’ Facebook message

    Now you are just making it up 😉

    Want to get a screen shot of that and post it up?

    Unless you mean metaphorically said that, in which case I suspect your comprehension skills might need a polish.

    molgrips
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    Socialism is not communism.

    Communists would have all of us work entirely for each other – you work for the state, and it gives everyone the same salary regardless, and you aren’t allowed to profit.

    Socialism just aims to spread the money about a bit, instead of letting fat cats pocket it all. Wikipedia says socialism is characterised by social ownership, which it defines thus:

    Social ownership encompasses the various forms of ownership of the means of production for socialist economic systems. It encompasses public ownership, employee ownership, citizen ownership of equity, and common ownership.

    Public ownership is only one of the options.

    So it’s perfectly possible to be a socialist and be interested in money. If she starts whingeing about stamp duty though – then you’ve got her 🙂

    Junkyard
    Free Member

    your comprehension skills might need a polish.

    Coming over here and teaching us comprehension are they

    Oh and please dont get your understanding of socialism from Molly he is well meaning but not that well informed

    bearGrease
    Full Member

    >>>>Agree with us “or else”. The SNP way or no way/is the only way!! Sounding more cult like every day…….
    I’ve not been looking at the political news for a while. What have they been upto now?

    Reserving the right to have another pop at secession if anything occurs the SNP take offence to.

    bex
    Free Member

    Junkyard: I’m afraid I don’t know how to do the quote thing to put your comments into a box. I suppose that means I haven’t got the capacity to understand your post in respect (now, there’s a word) to how it relates to my completely politically indifferent perspective. Can YOU explain how someone who wants fiscal equality can then turn down a viable bid

    kimbers
    Full Member

    exactly somehow people have conflated communism with socialism

    as said the NHS, state pensions, free education for all children etc etc are all examples of socialism that we’d all agree are worthy

    convert
    Full Member

    turn down a viable bid

    You know that, or are you presuming?

    molgrips
    Free Member

    Oh and please dont get your understanding of socialism from Molly he is well meaning but not that well informed

    Hehe.

    Socialism has a pretty wide range of definitions, which is why I think people end up arguing about it.

    Can YOU explain how someone who wants fiscal equality can then turn down a viable bid

    This woman wants everyone to have the same amount of money – is that what you mean?

    chewkw
    Free Member

    molgrips – Member

    Socialism is not communism.

    The former is the lite version of the latter … 😆

    Coz the latter would make it rather hard to stomach if people suddenly become full-fledged communists so a lite version was invented to bridge the gap. Marx is laughing at you and see you coming … 😆

    bex
    Free Member

    OK, I’ll take it: please explain your version/ hope of a ‘viable bid’.

    And I reiterate,thanks STW;.my post was indescrimanate, your responses was…woaaah

    Junkyard
    Free Member

    Can YOU explain how someone who wants fiscal equality can then turn down a viable bid

    Surprisingly I am unable to read the mind of your acquaintance and answer your question about their motivations

    Forgive me

    anyway how is the investment property going?

    jimdubleyou
    Full Member

    Are you asking us if she’s a hypocrite or not?

    If so, probably. Most people are to a certain degree, but I don’t think wanting a fair price for your asset is necessarily hypocritical, even if she does believe we should give the less well off more of a leg up.

    The fact that she has a holiday home taking the roof from over rural workers heads means she’s a total bitch though.

    molgrips
    Free Member

    Bex, I am looking for a discussion on this even if the others are taking the piss. And excuse Junkyard’s turn of phrase he’s not actually as angry as he sounds.

    thegreatape
    Free Member

    GrahamS – Member
    What is the opposite of a “champagne socialist” I wonder?

    Nigel Farage?

    deadlydarcy
    Free Member

    …he’s not actually as angry as he sounds.

    Isn’t he?

    Junkyard…you big fat socialist knob. (That might get him going.)

    Junkyard
    Free Member

    FAT

    Now i am livid
    Flounces off to seek solace in a chocolate bar

    Excuse Junkyard’s turn of phrase he’s not actually as angry as he sounds.

    SHHH

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