no he said jump/downhill trails ie a mtb! 
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Can`t Jump - Dare`nt Jump
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Posted 2 years ago #
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Id love to learn how to ride doubles, so I can ride some trails faster, but the thought of not getting enough air and crashing into the landing ramp scares the beejesus out of me!!!
I can`t get over the fear so cant just hit it for the first time, im sure its just a matter of speed and pushing into the take off...
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You don't pull you push!
10/10! It seems surprising at first.he cannot seem to land his bike on anything other than the front wheel
I bet I know what that is, and if he stops doing it he'll be even faster on everything else too.Posted 2 years ago # -
I think learning on tabletops is the way. Once you can clear a 8 foot tabletop the world is your oyster..
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ok ok, i dont wanna argue about what bike a fella i dont know wants to buy...
but if he's jumping/doing dh trails only, then choice of bike is important.
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So any mountain bike is designed for jumping and downhill tails?
With my limited mtb knowledge, I know that is bollocks.
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any mtb will do those things yes. a hardtail,a race xc bike, a full dh bike, a 4inch trael fs......
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ok...
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If I go for a little ride in the woods at some point I will go downhill and there is a chance of a wee jump or two. That doesn't mean I'm doing DH or dedicated bike jumping.
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thats great glen, but if someone is buying a bike specifically to do those two aspects of your ride, and not for your entire ride, then they may be better off buying a bike that does those parts better.
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you can't ride trails on an XC bike.
Sure you can. Jedi says 'it's not about the bike', I prefer 'if the rider can do it, the bike can too'
A XC Marin Wildcat Trail and rider...
I've since got a jump specific bike as the Marin wasn't too keen on the bigger jumps (much bigger).
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It's probably worth noting that a good landing is usually nice and gentle and isn't that hard on a bike it's cack handed flat landings that snap frames.
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Yes.
I know.
I'm not saying anything different.
What I am saying is that those people that think "trail riding" means sky-high built doubles in jeans around yer ankles and pushing your bike if it is uphill are in a minority. Most people just like going for a ride on what they call trails, and want to be able to jump a little and stay safe and enjoy it.
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ok, grand thats agreed.
i think chuck knows he wants something a bit more solid anyway.
although euro has nicely pointed out that yes indeed in theory if you buy a cheap 'xc' HT that looks a bit small for you, and then slam the seat right down, you can go get jumping crazy to your hearts content.
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The trend is certainly to make the entry level hardtails more over-built. A lot of them anyway. Usually the fork and wheels will be weak spots I guess.
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Tracknicko, i'm 6'5" and if you think the xc bike looks small, you should have seen me on my BMX
GlenP, funny you should mention the forks and wheels. The only items I've changed since new. Both upgraded due to breakages. (rear wheel now 48 spoke Halo SAS)
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I eyed a jump up yesterday following scruff....I wish now that I had hit it without thinking, however, I didn't. Now, I don't know if I would have done it. I also bottomed out the suspension too many times yesterday....
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Push not pull - I'm guessing this means you push your bike through the jump which in effect causes an upward movement as you go up the "ramp" as opposed to yanking at the bars on take off?
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I am a bit of a scaredy cat but love Danny Macaskill's skills. Gravity defying!
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correct plus a couple of other things
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What about flat jumps, ie just a little ramp and drops? Is it the same then? I always assumed drops where like bunny hops?
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drops are simplest.
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Just keep riding and weight slightly back?
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You know, Jedi i disagree with you. You say to mark, you can do anything on that bike. And yes whilst i'm sure say Darren berrecloth could ride a scott scale, or a giant anthem through a set of doubles or a road gap, he wouldnt. The bike makes a HUGE difference to how easy it is to clear a jump. Lets take say a set of dirt jumps with steep transitions designed for maximum height. Ride it on a dirt jump bike, then a bike for 4x. Both are good for jumps but the dirt bike will be noticably better. Then do some jumps on a 4x track, and surprise surprise the 4x bike will handle them alot better. Could this be because they are the right tool for the right job?
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lyon
the technique of drops, jumps etc.. can all be learned on any mtb,
road gaps, 20ft+ drops etc.. all require specialist bikes. but to learn how/why you can do it on any mtb. dont you agreePosted 2 years ago # -
I doagree with you there... But only to a certain level.I think I misunderstood you at first..
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by the way, i have never said to mark he can do anything on his bike. i said he can do anything on a bike. and he can
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I bet I know what that is, and if he stops doing it he'll be even faster on everything else too.
Go on then?
TBH I think that my jumping skills might be a slightly diff level to a lot of the other people here, but some serious over the bar landings puts a bit of doubt in my mind.
I have been told and learnt about riding off 2's and riding off 4's, ie keeping your arms and legs as distinct parts whilst taking off, and the importance of keeping fluid in the air but it seems that the faster I go the harder it is to keep all this together. I'm talking 25+ foot jumps where crashing becomes a bit more serious. Still if one of you guys reckons you can remove my doubts it could be well worth the cash.Posted 2 years ago # -
25ft+. yeah no worries
a rotation problem is a rotation problem. size matters notPosted 2 years ago # -
Jedi, you're based in the South East right? Where would you suggest for a training session then? I'm based in Oxfordshire.
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email me(in profile) if you wish
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i think jedi is selling 'skills' not 'bikes'. if i turned up to a skills session with my short travel 29er hardtail and jedi said 'no sorry mate i cant teach you anything with that bike' i would be pretty pissed off and he would be a crap teacher. from all accounts exactly the opposite happens and that is why he is highly regarded.
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what? a 29er.........erm :O)
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Jumping a bike isn't rocket science if you lean back the back wheel will drop, if you lean foward the front wheel will drop, if you pull up or push down the bike will change it's altitude etc. It's all in your mind, If you hit the jump straight in the centre of the bike and relaxed you'll be fine. If you are heading toward it thinking your going to crash you probably will if you don't think about crashing then you probably wont. See if you can get a hold of Dirt fundimentals (Try CRC), it's got quite a few good riding tips on it.
Iain
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