Well, with the departure of Jeremy Clarkson, Paxo has a clear run for title of Biggest Knob on TV.

oh I don’t know. The other two acts showed ample “knobishness”, however I would not turn over to BBC2 at 8pm to watch them. Paxman I might.

Dave was vile, arrogant, self-satisfied, evasive and brandished his full sense of entitlement. Ed was like a rabbit in the headlights – utterly clueless, with the social skills of a particularly awkward 13 year old spod, and all the passion of a breeze block. Out of his depth from the first minute

So we learnt an awful lot tonight then?

Did they employ the charade of answering everyone by name? It’s all the rage these days.

How many thumb fists were there, as demonstrated by Blair?

Ed asked someone’s name, then within seconds called him the wrong name.

Media training is one thing. You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t teach it to wind surf

Their overuse of the word ‘look’ every time they spoke really irritated me. Agree completely with binners’ comments on Call Me Dave, could quite easily punch him.

Just to add … was recently reading about the other Miliband who’s threatening to throw his hat in the ring at next election time. Apparently New York love him.

“Are you ok ed” at the end hahhahahahahah classic

😛 I think Cameron is better in presenting himself while Ed needs a lot of polishing up but both are still behind Blair …

binners – Member
Ed asked someone’s name, then within seconds called him the wrong name.
Media training is one thing. You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t teach it to wind surf

Like Ed says who cares if he doesn’t look the slickest like Cam and Blair. Policies and principles are what matters. What would you rather have Ed or Dave as PM? That is the choice.

CG – did you catch Dave, right at the start, referring to the audience as ‘you people’ ? Kind of says it all about his attitude to the electorate.

As he Blah blah blah’d on in his smug, oily, self-entitled, I’m so bloody pleased with myself way, while he singularly failed to answer a single bloody question asked him, my thoughts did drift off to implements of medieval torture

principles? Like brotherly love 😉

But you lot got to admit that Ed is not as polished as Cameron just by looking at the way both handle the questions by Paxman.

teamhurtmore – Member
principles? Like brotherly love

What? Ed shouldn’t have put himself forward for the leadership of his party just because his brother put his hat in the ring as well? Didn’t realise elder brothers had some pre ordained devine right to the leadership of the party.

chewkw – Member
But you lot got to admit that Ed is not as polished as Cameron just by looking at the way both handle the questions by Paxman.

You are right Cameron is much slicker, he is a PR conman.

The problem with Milliband is competence. I’m authentic northern, working class scum. I loathe the Tories with every fibre of my being, but I don’t think Ed could run a bath, never mind a country. I saw nothing tonight that made me think otherwise.

Any vote for him will just be ‘Anyone But Dave’. You can’t tell me that people are going to vote for ed out of a passionate belief in his abilities. He’s a total ****-wit! He stands for what? Who knows? He certainly doesn’t appear too. But I suppose that’s better to take a punt on than the genuinely nasty party! Not confidence inspiring, is it?

Christ! Has our democracy ever looked more threadbare?

Were either of them suffering from a huge cold?

fr0sty125 – Member

teamhurtmore – Member
principles? Like brotherly love

What? Ed shouldn’t have put himself forward for the leadership of his party just because his brother put his hat in the ring as well? Didn’t realise elder brothers had some pre ordained devine right to the leadership of the party. [/quote]

The brother might have better chance with his experience. Just because he put himself forward and got voted does not mean he is the best candidate. He is the best Labour got at that/this moment. Bear in mind that’s the only best choice available. You could do worst with any of the Balls and if you have Balls in it will be an own goal. Back of the net! 😀

fr0sty125 – Member

chewkw – Member
But you lot got to admit that Ed is not as polished as Cameron just by looking at the way both handle the questions by Paxman.

You are right Cameron is much slicker, he is a PR conman. [/quote]

You got to remember you need Merican style PR team. Although you are/ might be able to see their PR stunt the ordinary folks cannot … 😆

binners – Member

The problem with Milliband is competence. I’m authentic northern, working class scum. I loathe the Tories with every fibre of my being, …

Ya, ya, we/I hear you, I am in the GeordieLand and my working class, socialist and communist colleagues always bang on and on about their hatred of the Tories … they never stop. 😆

Genuine thanks for confirming I didn’t miss anything.

binners – Member
You can’t tell me that people are going to vote for ed out of a passionate belief in his abilities. He’s a total ****-wit! He stands for what? Who knows? He certainly doesn’t appear too. But I suppose that’s better to take a punt on than the genuinely nasty party! Not confidence inspiring, is it?

Christ! Has our democracy ever looked more threadbare?

Ed M is genuinely the most intelligent man I have met in politics.

Policies and principles are what matters.

Good point fr0sty. And since there are no discernible differences between them it matters little which one you choose.

Luckily other political parties are also standing. If you want a choice.

Dave likes to put himself forward as the Heir to Blair. He isn’t. Ed truly is. He’s the stuttering, clueless, absolutely idealogically vacuous testimony to what that charlatan did to the Labour Party. He hasn’t the first idea of what the Labour Party is meant to represent. Not a clue! And he’s the best they’ve got? Tragic!

The scary thing is that Dave has modelled his party on Blairs model. So what we’ve got is 2 main parties of our democratically elected representatives who, in reality, are just administrators, rubber stamping the wishes of the corporate lobbyists, whose boardroom, tax exiled, non-Dom paymasters pay for their election campaigns.

Politics doesn’t actually exist in this country any more. Not in the two main parties anyway. They’re just admin staff

Is it any wonder we’re all looking for alternatives?

Cameron trying as hard as he can to avoid using the phrase “You oiks”. Miliband trying to sound tough. Paxman laughing at him when he said he could get a majority. It was hilarious.

binners – Member

They’re just admin staff

You mean bureaucrats? Yes? Told youuu …

bencooper – Member

Cameron trying as hard as he can to avoid using the phrase “You oiks”. Miliband trying to sound tough. Paxman laughing at him when he said he could get a majority. It was hilarious.

At one point I thought Cameron was going to be so inflated he would float in the air.

Miliband I thought was going to cry if Paxman kept on “bullying” him.

are just administrators,

Progress then? Apart from the high offices of state, that sounds almost perfect.

ernie_lynch – Member

Good point fr0sty. And since there are no discernible differences between them it matters little which one you choose.

Luckily other political parties are also standing.

Yeah Labour doesn’t want to…

*scrap the bedroom tax
*Repeal the privatisation measures in the health and social care act
*Create a job guarantee for every young person out of a job
*Integrate health and social care
*Cap energy prices while fixing the energy market
*Outlaw sky high letting agent fees
*Raise the minimum wage to £8
*Reverse the millionaires Tax Break
*Introduce 25 hours of free childcare a week for working families
*Effectively scrap zero hour contracts

Labour had 13 years to show that they were significantly different to the Tories Fr0sty, they failed to do so. In fact Labour were able to carry out a right-wing agenda which a Tory government would have struggled to implement, eg, even more privatisation and new military adventures.

*Raise the minimum wage to £8

Eventually. At a rate not much faster than inflation.

The Labour Party goons must be shitting themselves at the prospect of minority government. They’ll be to implement any policy they want 😆 The Tories will vote with them to support anything Right Wing and the SNP will vote with them to support anything Left Wing. With a completely free hand, they’ll have to show the electorate where they really stand. No wonder Ed looks like a rabbit in the headlights.

ernie_lynch – Member
Labour had 13 years to show that they were significantly different to the Tories Fr0sty, they failed to do so. In fact Labour were able to carry out a right-wing agenda which a Tory government would have struggled to implement, eg, even more privatisation and new military adventures

What a load of crap when Labour took power in 1997 our schools and hospitals had been neglected and the Tories were considering calling it a day with the NHS saying it couldn’t work. Labour modernised our public services transforming the NHS and education. Yes New Labour is not my cup of tea but still far better than the Tories.

binners – Member

I’m authentic northern, working class scum. I loathe the Tories with every fibre of my being,

Really? **** me, I had never noticed that before in amongst your thoughtful and rational posts on politics. 🙂

Ah that favourite New Labour word “modernised”. You mean like when they introduced private sector into the NHS, that modernisation?

Another example of Labour implementing right-wing policies which a Tory government would have struggled with is NHS prescription charges. In opposition Labour denounced every NHS prescription charge increase as “a tax on the sick”, once elected to office the promptly put up NHS prescription charges, without a squeak from the Tories of course. Labour just didn’t have to look over their shoulders like the Tories did.

Labour Party hypocrites oppose Tory government policies when in opposition but not when in government.

Progress then? Apart from the high offices of state, that sounds almost perfect.
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Interesting snippage, the bit just after was:

rubber stamping the wishes of the corporate lobbyists, whose boardroom, tax exiled, non-Dom paymasters pay for their election campaigns.

I don’t think I’ve ever found myself in such agreement with northern working class scum.

ernie_lynch – Member
Ah that favourite New Labour word “modernised”. You mean like when they introduced private sector into the NHS, that modernisation?
Another example of Labour implementing right-wing policies which a Tory government would have struggled with is NHS prescription charges. In opposition Labour denounced every NHS prescription charge increase as “a tax on the sick”, once elected to office the promptly put up NHS prescription charges, without a squeak from the Tories of course. Labour just didn’t have to look over their shoulders like the Tories did.
Labour Party hypocrites oppose Tory government policies when in opposition but not when in government.

No I mean all the hospitals that were built the thousands of Doctors and nurses that recruited. The thousands of new schools that were built the additional teachers recruited the additional police officers hired. Sure start centres and free childcare.

You and Binners can complain about the party not being what you want but all you two do is moan about it on a forum if you actually involved yourself in the party maybe you could help change it. Instead you will probably moan on here vote for the green party no better than a scab or a splitter.

Using PFI? How left wing.

Instead you will probably moan on here vote for the green party no better than a scab or a splitter.

Judean People’s Front actually.

…maybe you could help change it.

The Labour Party is beyond that, it can’t be saved, it’s lost.

And even if change was possible so that it once again became what it previously was that certainly wouldn’t happen under the conditions of election victories.

The only conceivable way that the grip of the thoroughly undemocratic hard right which now controls the Labour Party could be loosened would be if the party experienced catastrophic election disasters.

Voting Labour in May will change nothing.

The British working people need a new party to speak for them.

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And btw : “all you two do is moan about it on a forum”. You know nothing about me.

😆 I thought about commenting, but didn’t think you needed me to defend you

Fortunately I fell asleep during “Just call me Dave” slot,could feel myself getting angry at the fact he couldn’t answer a question directly. Hate to think what he’s like at home – Mrs Cameron “so Dave,fancy a quickie?”, by the time he’s answered her she’d probably lose the urge.

If this pair are the pinnacle of British politics no wonder UKIP are creeping up in popularity- not that have anything planned.

How does that follow? The likes of Farrage and Salmond make Dave and ED look totally straight. They lie, deceive and manipulate as a matter of course. Both parties are based on fundamental lies from the start. The “wonder” is that people fall for it. A lot of them by the looks of things. Quite extraordinary. Nige and Nicola riding to the rescue???????

Perhaps the problem is Paxo. They know he is out to make them look foolish and him intelligent, so they are trained to stick to script. The downside is always bigger than the upside.

For all their faults, I find it amazing that they can carry so much info in their heads and not make mistakes with data or other minor points. The expectations are for superhuman behaviour without a safety net.