so you say unions should strike to protect rights to jobs now then? You admit then your argument isnt that the effective functioning of the transport system is being threatened?

The job cuts aren’t really about increasing efficiency, they’re about saving money. The Unions’ argument is that this will lead to decreased efficiency, less safety for staff and passengers, and a poorer quality service. I happen to agree with them.

Apart from the strikes, some stations have closed due to lack of staff. This is happening with increased frequency. The Underground isn’t improving under Boris, it’s going backwards. He’s not interested in the rights and opinions of transport staff, he’s interested only in appeasing his City cronies and paymasters.

Not that he’s worried. 4 years as Mayor, loads of support from the City, good chance of Tory Party leadership.

Like he ever took the job for any other reason.

Boris wants to take away workers’ right to strike.

Not so. He just wants a strike to be decided on a majority vote from union members, rather than the top-down diktat of the likes of Bob Crowe and his fellow-travellers.

Oh sorry, I forgot. You dismissed me, didn’t you…

Yes I did. Off you go now. Bye bye.

If you think Bob crow is doing any of this for reasons of safety or quality of service you are utterly deluded.

Bob Crow calls strikes to protect unionised jobs and hence the subscriptions that go towards paying his union salary and funding his powerbase. He’s about as philanthopic as a parasitic gastric flatworm.

EDIT: BTW with reference to your accusatinos that “boris is doing this to cosy up to his city pals” – through what possible mechanism do you think there can Boris deliver any benefit to bankers by cutting the TfL budget? TfL is funded by LB council taxes and centralised govenment grants. Square Mile workers and companies dont pay for it. The simple fact is that TfL income is falling and expenditure must fall too.

He just wants a strike to be decided on a majority vote from union members, rather than the top-down diktat of the likes of Bob Crowe and his fellow-travellers.

Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t that what happens now? A ballot is called and the members vote on strike action which can only be called if more than 50% of the votes cast are in favour of the action.

As others have said wanting a majority of the membership rather than a majority of the votes cast is hypocritical beyond belief.

I misread the title of this thread as “Boris and the Unicorns”. The reality was disappointing.

On the plus side, I think it might have inspired a new children’s book…

Elfinsafety – Member
Yes I did. Off you go now. Bye bye.

So, I’ll assume that a response to my point is a bit too difficult for you.

Mrs Toast – Member
I misread the title of this thread as “Boris and the Unicorns”. The reality was disappointing.

On the plus side, I think it might have inspired a new children’s book…

… or a religion…

Mr Woppit – Member
So, I’ll assume that a response to my point is a bit too difficult for you.

Gonefishin answered you btw.

So, I’ll assume that a response to my point is a bit too difficult for you.

No, it’s ‘cos you won’t come for a pint with me. 😥

Mr Woppit – Member

Boris wants to take away workers’ right to strike.

Not so. He just wants a strike to be decided on a majority vote from union members, rather than the top-down diktat of the likes of Bob Crowe and his fellow-travellers.

Nop he doesn’t – cos that what happens now. he wants to make it so a simple majority of those who cast a vote is not good enough but wants to make the vote not to count if turnout was less than 50%

On that basis there would be no elected Boris nor numerous Westminster constituencies

Its pure hypocrisy

TfL income is falling and expenditure must fall too.

tfls income is falling since borris cut the western extension charge – £55million according to tfl,
because borris is so concerned about the poor people of kensington & chelsea THE RICHEST BOROUGH IN THE COUNTRY

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-477325/League-Wealth-Tables.html

borris really shouldnt talk about hypocrisy

ah so we come to the crux of it kimbers – tax more people to keep Bob Crow’s chums in non-jobs! 😉

Finally some truth to the matter….

If you think Bob crow is doing any of this for reasons of safety or quality of service you are utterly deluded.

The Unions’ claim is that safety and quality of service will be affected. Which they undoubtedly will if the job cuts are made.

Bob Crow calls strikes to protect unionised jobs and hence the subscriptions that go towards paying his union salary and funding his powerbase. He’s about as philanthopic as a parasitic gastric flatworm.

That’s just your opinion of him. I’m sure if his Union’s members thought he wasn’t acting in their best interests, they’d remove him from his position as leader.

EDIT: BTW with reference to your accusatinos that “boris is doing this to cosy up to his city pals” – through what possible mechanism do you think there can Boris deliver any benefit to bankers by cutting the TfL budget?

Boris’ City chums tell Boris to sort out the Unions and stop the strikes so their workers can get to work. Because transport strikes lose them money. Come on Stoner; you’re an accountant, you know how it works! 😉

As for cutting the TFL budget; if he’s seen to be ‘saving’ money, then he’ll become more popular with an electorate who are more concerned with how things affect their own finances rather than having consideration for other people’s jobs.

A general election offered to a population of free agents is not the same thing as a vote required from fee-paying members of an industrial organisation.

nope i only advocate taxing those richer than me 😀

[/quote]Because transport strikes lose them everybody money.

A general election offered to a population of free agents is not the same thing as a vote required from fee-paying members of an industrial organisation.

You’re absolutely right. For those of us who don’t live in London (that will be the majority of the population by the way) general elections are far far more important than whether or not commuters in London have a bit of a hard time getting around.

I think we should just heavily tax chippy mockneys that look like Jeff Goldblum.

Fred:

‘Despite their claims that this dispute is about safety, the union leaderships have not even tried to make the case or present any evidence to us to support that argument.

‘Our plans have no impact on safety standards and we have also given a cast-iron guarantee that these plans involve no compulsory redundancies or loss of earnings.

Because transport strikes lose them everybody money

Transport strikes don’t affect me, and many people I know actually. Many of us can use our bicycles to get to work, you see.

So, that’s not everybody, then. We don’t all live in Surrey and have to get train in you know. Some of us live within walking/cycling distance of work. A strange and novel concept, I know…

If a transport strike means you can’t get into London, Woppit, then I’m all for them! 😉

I think we should just heavily tax chippy mockneys that look like Jeff Goldblum.

Do I cast assumptions on your background and mock your appearance? No, I don’t do I?

Losing the argument so need to resort to personal insults? How very mature Stoner. Have you no thought for my fragile ego? 😥

You too are welcome to come for a pint with me, find out what I’m really like. I don’t need to hide behind my persona on here you see.

I do look a bit like Jeff Goldblum though. Can’t dispute that one really.

Transport strikes affect everybody. It’s not JUST about whether or not we can all get into, and away from, work on any given day.

I note that only two of the unions involved in transporting people around the capital have assumed that a minority vote of their membership entitles them to strike on behalf of retaining what can nly be described as non-jobs.

What about the rest of the brotherhood?

fred?

and you guys say they are non-jobs because??

there’s a long list of things Id rather do than drink Sam Smiths with an armchair socialist.

And…

Elfinsafety – Member

Do I cast assumptions on your background and mock your appearance? No, I don’t do I?

Following…

Elfinsafety – Member

If a transport strike means you can’t get into London, Woppit, then I’m all for them!

Your loss, Stoner, your loss.

I don’t only drink in Sam Smith’s pubs. But then, you won’t find that out if you won’t come for a pint with me, will you?

Won’t anyone come for a pint with me?

😥

Some LU ticket offices now regularly sell fewer than 10 tickets an hour. The quietest ticket offices include North Ealing, which sells less than six tickets per hour, and Latimer Road and Moor Park, which sell only around seven tickets per hour

I think that’s one description of a non-job right there, unless the employess are willing to work on a commission basis perhaps?

Bob Crow calls strikes to protect unionised jobs and hence the subscriptions that go towards paying his union salary and funding his powerbase. He’s about as philanthopic as a parasitic gastric flatworm.

Spouting right wing hyperbole is that one of them? Love the way you get such entrenched polarised views on unions.

there’s a long list of things Id rather do than drink Sam Smiths with an armchair socialist.

Why not? IME, free-marketeers spout just as many mystical platitudes as the hard left.

Besides, I have a dream… that one day there will be a four man 24 enduro team consisting of GGus, Stoner, PaddedFred & CFH. 8)

and you can stuff a cork in it an’all comrade. 🙂
Anyway, Id call the likes of Fred not so much the “hard left” as the “soft, pudgy, hand-ringing apologist, ill-conceived and intellectually limited underbelly of the left”. Rolls off the tongue better.

Started reading Thoreau the other day – now there’s sanctimonious w***er if every I read one! 😉

Besides, I have a dream… that one day there will be a four man 24 enduro team consisting of GGus, Stoner, PaddedFred & CFH.

(Sobs at the sheer incomparable beauty of it all…)

Elfinsafety – Member

Won’t anyone come for a pint with me?

Get yer scrawny ass up north and I’ll buy you a pint

You’ll like that Fred. 60 shilling tastes almost as bad as sam smiths.

now there’s sanctimonious w***er if every I read one!

LOL. In ten years, I bet you write a similar volume on the various contentments of rural barn life – Malvern by Stoner. 😉

Besides, “Distrust any enterprise that requires new clothes” is the single greatest piece of advice ever known. The bloke was a model of financial prudence.

It’s amusing to see how media changed public opinion about unions. If you just compare EU workers rights to UK, you clearly would see there is so much of work to be done by UK unions or such*. I see that Tories pushing herds of workers towards US model.
It doesn’t matter what sector you work in but would you like to be controlled or kicked out of job US style? I don’t think many of people would like to talk about modern slavery but if you look around, it is happening allready.
Bob Crow is the one who isn’t affraid to stand up for argument, but he is marred by media and the likes with whatever publicity -Fine society wants. Therefore, in my eyes it’s just another fight for power Rich vs Poor.
I live in London and I do work for TFL, therefore few issues are known to me how TFL operates. I agree their funds have to be cut due to less business though. There are methods I don’t agree with how TFL throws money away, but thats another -Beer story.
More strikes, IMO would be better to push crowds on the bikes … and thats a bloody inexpensive and brilliant idea for Londoners.

Many promises which had been made by Borris, have been diverted other ways allready. Not saying Ken was perfect, but the man changed TFL over the years into better transport organisation.

To my knowledge Borris has turned down Venezuella oil deal which Ken prepared for TFL Buses (which would work out £0.08pence per litre / I stand to be corrected) which would help with freezing annual fares* on grounds of inhumane and corrupt government of Venezuella. Now we have much more expensive deal with Quatar, but the details of the deal remain secret. All I know, there are plans to increase annual fares yet again due to -Economic storms* and inability to save money by TFL in one way or the other.

I unfortunately don’t believe all those beautifully orcestrated stories by media, and it’s amusing to hear other people spiting and arguing. It’s kind of you have to see the real basics first of the argument, then only can fine tune lil twitches.

But changing law about unions vote on strikes is very dangerous starting steps towards workers rights and not only TFL. Do look around what you shout out loud.

when I start producing treatise on the “happy lot of a man who has beans but no shoes, honour but no wealth and an Inbred but no Rebas” then put me up against the wall with a last cigggie and tell my fans Marx is dead.

Don’t know about that but Innis and Gunn is **** lovely.

I like Sam Smith’s Wheaty beer and their pure brewed lager. Some of their other ales are nice too.

I’m not too bothered what Stoner thinks of their beers though, as everyone is different, innit?

Stoner likes to assume he is superior to someone like myself; here I am, a Council Estate scrotey little scumbayg, obviously lacking in any vestige of sophistication and intellect, unlike himself. Of course he should feel superior, after all he has the right to think himself superior, doesn’t he? I mean, City accountants who live in Malvern are superior to scrotey East End scumbaygs, aren’t they?

(Runs off to wallow in his own ignorance and social despair…)