Well a lot of people on here moan about the state of the driving on the roads and then take their bike out in the ice (fair enough the people that have no real alternative) but why put yourself in that position when you can avoid it, after all we are all our own safety men so why put yourself at the mercy of some idiot in a car.
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Black ice - so that's what the fuss is about.....
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falkirk mark - do you wrap yourself in cotton wool and never leave the house?
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Now that's my kind of party
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No but I do not want to end my life under a bus on a frozen road TJ
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falkirk mark - do you wrap yourself in cotton wool and never leave the house?
From the man who's scared of lap dogs and classes throwing a snowball as assault
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THIS IS A MOUNTAIN BIKE FORUM, NOT A ROAD CYCLING FORUM.
Mind you, I've just been out and can no longer plough a furrow off road.
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Its all down to personal preference - I suggest we leave it there
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Waderider thats such an insightful post, although why you've bothered posting on this thread is kinda beyond me.
TJ from a man who rides through red lights to avoid 'dangerous junctions' I just don't get you sometimes.
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TandemJeremy - Member
falkirk mark - do you wrap yourself in cotton wool and never leave the house?TJ - am I wrong about this or is it you that often talks about risk assessments for whether to wear a helmet or not, depending on the terrain etc??
If so, why the comment about fm wrapping himself in cotton wool? He's made the judgement (risk assessment) that it's not worth the risk to his own safety to ride in the current conditions.
No need to make snide comments.I for one have not ridden in the evenings on the road since the weather turned bad. Mainly as I came off last year on some black ice that was on the far side of a humpback bridge. By the time I saw it, it was too late to stop, so I did my best to stay upright but went over on it. I then slid into the centre of the road and carried on for about 10m or so. If I had been on a main road with a car behind me I probably would have ended up underneath it.
So thanks all the same, but I'd rather 'wrap myself in cotton wool' and sit this one out.Posted 1 year ago # -
Nice personal attacks folks. Ta
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HA HA HA
TandemJeremy - Member
Nice personal attacks folks. TaPot. Kettle. Black??
Or did you not type this:
TandemJeremy - Member
falkirk mark - do you wrap yourself in cotton wool and never leave the house?Posted 1 year ago # -
Ay common' guys......
We all have opinions.
As an aside I had no black ice this morning but at about -11 C my gloves didn't work very well
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Not a personal attack at all but your opinions seem to change to suit.
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Not at all Gary. My opinion is consistent - just differs from the mainstream. I ain't gonna argue it tho - but I will say perhaps my slagging of falkirk mark was OTT
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Yesterday I cycled along a 2 lane A road - there was about 1.5 lane width available - conditions were dicey - and I did wonder if I should be on the road..... but there was hardly any traffic and there was plenty of room for overtaking - I didn't feel as though I was holding anyone up, and cars were only doing 20mph. At one point the road narrowed due to roadworks - so I just hopped onto the pavement. I rekon it's easy enough to judge if it's safe or not - just use your loaf
As for ice - 3.8" of rubber at 6psi is the answer to that!
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Gary_M, at least I'm only occasionally filling the internet up with crap. You're developing it into an art form on this thread. You need to get out on your bike and live a little.
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Just a thought, but black ice is pretty much invisible and unexpected.
As it's -8 outside and been snowing for over a week with feet of snow piled at the side of the road. I'd struggle with anyone who said an accident was due to black ice here in Newcastle.
It's just ice and you should be expecting it no expecting the roads to be clear.
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You need to get out on your bike and live a little.
Yeh as I said over 6000 miles ridden so far this year, so I don't have anything to prove. You?
And why is it crap if I'm contributing to a discussion?
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As for ice - 3.8" of rubber at 6psi is the answer to that!
I wouldn't go boasting about being flaccid and less than 4"
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Oh the joys of the UK. Here is Sweden my daughters school bus did get stuck but I rescued her by attaching the sledge to the back of the bike and pulling her home. All the big roads around here and a lot of the little ones have either dual use pavements or proper cycle lanes. Having great fun cycling to work and back practising my drift turns literally as I most often end up in a drift.
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Not meaning to deflect you all from the the important job of making remote personal attacks on people you've never met (!) but I seem to see an idea for a ghetto tyre mod. Liking the whole cable tie thing, and the bath chain is a nice variation but hard to get right? Has anyone tried making ghetto tyre socks with sacking fastened on the tyre with cable ties? Seems to me would also add lateral grip, would be cheap, and best of all would be ghetto. Presume has been dome before? If so, please resume the attacks. Thanks for your attention.
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How much difference does a spiked tyre make? there is not so much surface area on a bike tyre. Best thing I have found for grip is weight. So I am eating my 5th bar of chocolate today to try to improve my winter biking performance.
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on ice a spiked tyre makes a huge difference - almost normal grip compared to almost none
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Had to give the bike a miss this morning. Brought my bike inside to thaw first thing as brakes non-functional, within 10mins of riding they'd started to seize up again along with the rear deraillieur. Roads themselves were fine though.
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To be fair to Gary, it's impossible for me to say that he should be cycling to and from work. I don't know the state of the roads around him, nor the prevailing traffic conditions.
However, my point is that he is wrong to make a broad, sweeping statement such as "There is no denying the fact that riding on the road in these conditions is extremely dangerous."
Furthermore, for anyone to suggest that driving a car is OK because you are better protected from the results of driving, misses the point that, if conditions are that bad, your duty of care as a driver is NOT to drive in the first place and so avoid putting other road users and pedestrians at risk.
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-11 here and my finger were rather painful when I got to work
Oh well they are worm now - at least is sl. warmer to go home Posted 1 year ago # -
Succinctly put Druidh
*applause*
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Gary, stumpy et al if you don't want to ride on the roads coz it's icy and you are worried you will slip and fall, or coz it's snowy/cold/hardwork/can't be bothered thats fine I have no issue, each to their own. However if you think it's too dangerous to ride on the roads due to all the cars and decide instead you will drive, well I'm sorry thats all messed up and coming on here trying to convince a load of other cyclists to think the same as you - I take issue with that, you're making yourself part of the problem, thanks guys.
(EDIT) A reasonable easy commute in for me this morning (first ride in on road for a while cos offroad snow is much more fun) brake levers and all leading edges on me/bike frosted over but most people played nice, except one div white van man who tried to bully me off the road, nowt to do with ice tho.
BTW ice spikes, they aren't going to help with a fine layer of black ice on the road are they? compacted snow and thick ice yeah, but can't see it working on the tiny amount we have. Or am I wrong.
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spikes help greatly - its on ice they work best
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Furthermore, for anyone to suggest that driving a car is OK because you are better protected from the results of driving, misses the point that, if conditions are that bad, your duty of care as a driver is NOT to drive in the first place and so avoid putting other road users and pedestrians at risk
So how are we getting to work then?
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By bike of course
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D0NK - Member
Gary, stumpy et al if you don't want to ride on the roads coz it's icy and you are worried you will slip and fall, or coz it's snowy/cold/hardwork/can't be bothered thats fine I have no issue, each to their own. However if you think it's too dangerous to ride on the roads due to all the cars and decide instead you will drive, well I'm sorry thats all messed up and coming on here trying to convince a load of other cyclists to think the same as you - I take issue with that, you're making yourself part of the problem, thanks guys.DONK - I never said that I would get in my car as a substitute for cycling. I said I cycle for fun.
If the conditions mean it's not worth the risk, then I won't go out. That doesn't mean I am going to do a 30 mile training loop in my car instead, does it??
And I don't believe I have tried to 'convince' anyone to 'think the same as me'. People can think what they want & do what they want; I was merely expressing an opinion on how I see the situation and react to it.But thanks for your input. No need to be sorry for it.
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druidh - Member
Furthermore, for anyone to suggest that driving a car is OK because you are better protected from the results of driving, misses the point that, if conditions are that bad, your duty of care as a driver is NOT to drive negligently (like normal) in the first place and so avoid putting other road users and pedestrians at risk.
FTFY
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Where did I say I was substituting the bike for a car? I'm sure if you could be bothered reading then you'll find I've got the bus the last two days.
So donk how does getting the bus make me part of the problem? I await your angst ridden teenage response.
And as for your line 'or coz it's snowy/cold/hardwork/can't be bothered thats fine I have no issue' - like I said I've ridden over 6000 miles this year, how about you?
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