Go for a ride in the snow. Everything comes back sparkling. Why is that ?
bike cleaner any better than washing up liquid?
Sticking a nail in a dish with water containing salt is not a viable experiment to ascertain the effects Fairy liquid would have on your bike!
When have you ever submerged your bike in a swimming pool of salt water over night?
My point is that the water / detergent / salt solution has a much lower surface tension than plain water, and therefore gets into bearings easier. Once in there, the detergent breaks down the grease, and the salt corrodes the steel.
A squirt of washing up liquid in hot water would contain little salt! After it going on the bike and having a high pressure hose or jet wash blown over it with cold clean water just how much salt is going to be left on the bike!
Bearings are one place where the solution will get into and 'lie', and not be rinsed off. It doesn't take much salt in a water solution to encourage corrosion, and it doesn't take much corrosion to badly affect a bearing.
would say there would be far more trace elements of salt in the air you breath especially if you live on the coast!
For sure that may have an impact as well. Whether it is greater or lesser, I dunno.
Come on that is really not an issue. Not to mention the mud contains salt, large amounts where I live as the mud if left on the bike for ages can corrode some parts. What about the salt they stick on the road too!
For sure that may have an impact as well. Whether it is greater or lesser, I dunno. Salty roads are horrible, especially bad is the bike on the car and driving on salted roads for miles... need to rinse that off ASAP. But at least there isn't detergent as well.
Washing up liquid never damages my hands and I use it everyday!
Your hands are made of steel, are they?
You can make an argument for anything
You can also try and have a reasoned discussion...
and trying to say washing up liquid ever damaged a bike any more than the salt in the air or mud on the ground in which its exposed to is lame.
Well, I didn't say that, and neither did anyone in this thread AFAICS.
A fool and there money!
Indeed. Let's wash our ££££ stuff in salt water to save a few pounds
Bless - It's like the cable people in hifi.
It is nothing like that. The hi-fi nonsense is not based on science. Salty water rusting metal is basic chemistry.
Bucket of whatever is at hand seems to work as well as anything
It will get the bike clean, it is what happens after that that is being discussed.
and the idea the WUL damages things seems a bit silly TBH.
You are just pulling that out of thin air though. It can damage things, more than plain water, more than the correct product for the job. Please accept the fact!
However if someone wants to spend more on pink stuff in a bottle who am I to stop them.
I find it weird that the argument always comes down to this. How much did you spend on your bike? How much is a bottle of bike cleaner? If you use it sensibly (you don't need to use it every time), it lasts ages.
Come on people, a bit of mechanical sympathy and basic chemistry please
i put my chain in a tub with a mixture of washing up liquid and water and forgot about it, when i took it out it was very rusty
Yup. I did the same with some kitchen knives years ago. Had to throw them out.
We've used lots (as we sell lots) but I can honestly say that the only cleaner I'll use is Pedro's Green Fizz. It works and doesn't kill anodising like the usual crew.
nikk is ABSOLUTELY correct in his comments on this thread and it's backed up with approval from my friendly mettalurgist at work.
FFS. An argument about soapy water. Next you'll be telling me not to use a pressure washer.
ooooh......pressure washers and pushbikes............
Spey Stout - use what you like, it's your bike
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