Stunning

Yes, amazing programme.

Turtles appear a little rough

Seen it the other night was amazing but the presenter was dull.

Great show. Well gel. France really does have it all.

Thanks for the heads up, off to download from iPlayer

brilliantly filmed documentary . Super jealous of the diversity france seems to have. Those stags were stunning.

Some of it was done for effect though. I doubt those climbers were “really” doing the route to get a look at the bird, or that they would be mad enough to camp on a portaledge just below the top of the Verdon Gorge. There are good campsites and bars a stone’s throw away.

Still, some nice stuff to look at.

Love it. A real (should be fairly obvious) eye opener as to what is literally on our doorstep for holidays rather than the need for longhaul..

I thought it was very dated for a wild life doc. I am sure the BBC would not fly towards a group of roosting vultures just to scare them off the rocks, on the whole very ponderous. Not convinced by the bear either, in the wild they are very few around in France not the type to amble up the a waiting camera man (or person)

I thought that the camera work was incredible, would love to know how they did it, pity there wasn’t a bit at the end showing how they set up the cameras etc.

Nice programme, even nicer to have a narrator other than “You Know Who”

Proper country, proper people.

I can highly recommend the Vosages.

Downloaded this to watch on the train this morning. Couldn’t make it more than 15minutes before the awful script and Paul McGann’s delivery got too much to bear. Deleted it. A waste of some quite good photography in parts.

Bring back “you know who” or at least an intelligent script writer/director who doesn’t insist natural history programs have to be light entertainment rather than informative.

literally on our doorstep

REALLY? 😯

Well, literally within a 10 hour drive.

So, not actually literally then…

It’s more literally on the nation’s collective doorstep than literally anywhere else. Literally.

I think we need “hora” to adjudicate on this one. When he’s finished using his hands…

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As it can’t be viewed in France, I’m intrigued. Did they admit that the Pyrenean bears are Slovenian and the wolves are back after years of absence which makes bureaucrats in Paris happy and people in the areas they’re invading upset at losing their livelihood?

I watched a very good documentary about Yellowstone park where they explored the same issues around the re-introduction of wolves back in to parts of the park, which caused major problems for a lot of the farmers in the area.

How Wolves Change Rivers, this is amazing

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I’m intrigued. Did they admit that the Pyrenean bears are Slovenian and the wolves are back after years of absence

I’m intrigued, do bears have nationality?

Slovenia is part of the EU so they have every right to be there.

Genetically they do.

Yellowstone is a national park where a decision has been made not to manage either landscape or biodiversity. If we wish to maintain the current managed landscapes of the southern Alps then grazing sheep at altitude is part of the management. Remove the sheep and instead of a mix of prairie and woodland you just get woodland. We’ll see what happens but I predict that the arrival of the wolves will drive the shepherds out and the high altitude prairies will be lost.

Edit: the Slovenian bears aren’t very good mountaineers and seem reluctant to adopt the same habitats the native bears did.

Genetically brown bears = brown bears. On a population level they’re identical. Given similar environment the Slovenian (Brown) bears (you can almost feel your distaste) will become just as adept as the Alpine (Brown) bears were.

The rest of your post is based on your “prediction”.

Yellowstone is managed quite a lot afaik.

Anyway, interested to see whose livelihood has actually been lost as a result of wolves?

Eskimos and black Africans, both homo sapiens but with minor genetic difference, each better adapted to their local habitat. Just like pyrenean and Slovenian bears.

The livelihood of shepherds has changed. The wolves made their work uneconomical so the authorities have stepped in with compensation for livestock losses and subsidies for protection measures:

Both sides of the argument

following bears thank to genetic differences between pyrenean and slovene bears

Eskimos and black Africans, both homo sapiens but with minor genetic difference, each better adapted to their local habitat. Just like pyrenean and Slovenian bears.

The bears will adapt in a couple of generations. 4‰ of Alaskan population is African American.

We’d be better off without all this flora and fauna filling the place up. Lets have glass domes and Soylent Green.