Given the reviews of frames and bikes always seem to say nothing but all is good…it rides like well a mountain bike….or climbs like a goat descends like a fast thing on a fast day……..are there no bad bikes any more like the gary fisher level betty????

Oh yes, there are PLENTY of bad bikes!

For example

Orange 5 😆

they are all dreadful! It doesn't matter what bike you own, it'll be sh1t according to someone on here and what some bloke told them down the pub 😉

Once you get above a certain level anyway… The way I always think of it is, if you took a £350 entry level hardtail from Halfords or Decathlon or similiar and took it back in time to when I got my first mtb, it'd be absolutely amazing. You'd race downhill on it, you'd worship the cheap rattly forks, you'd be utterly incapable of dealing with the reality of the Tektro disk brakes…

I heard someone call their Pitch Pro "entry level" and "not very good" at Glentress a while back, just made me realise that some people don't know what good looks like, their whole judgement of products needs recalibrated.

I think I have gone blind. Those Create bikes are worse than granny porn to look at!

highclimber, try reading the guff on the "About us" tab. Comedy or scary, you decide!

CaptainFlashheart – Member

Oh yes, there are PLENTY of bad bikes!

For example

What makes these bad bikes? I'm looking into getting a 'cheap as chips' SS bike so want to know what to avoid!

it's kaesaes new project, they'll have a section just on bearings

oh come on there must be some modern frames that are pish……………i am struggling to think of any but in the past there were some terrible bob o matic bikes, bad angles, crack and die frames is this all gone???

Anything with less than 2 gears…

Don't you read the mags? All bikes score above average now 😉

that new sunn radical… meant to be the dh bike of 2009 and it bucked off all of its owners…

some of the Commensal's cause they kept breaking.

and these things:

just wrong.

richcc exactly…………….no average bikes or dire bikes all great..if the y fit you, are this years shade of apple white,….

there are still loads of bikes with silly little wheels and gears on them 😉

bikes are fun, 'good' bikes are just more fun

Remember the £100.00 bike Chipps bought and featured in the mag a couple of years ago?

Well, I bought it from him on behalf of a mate who wanted a cheap get to work bike, as I figured it would at least have been set up correctly.

Amazingly, it was actually quite good, certainly better than the British Eagle abomination I started off on back in 91/92. The gears all worked, the brakes, although plastic, slowed the bike a bit and everything, apart from the seatpost collar stayed tight and true.

It even managed a couple of very, very slow and uncomfortable laps of the Lee Quarry red route without falling to bits, but the ride was very, very dead.

Sadly, the ungrateful hippy I sourced the bike for left it in his garden in Rochdale and it went the way of all unchained bikes.

Can't remember the make or model – not a premier member, so can't link, someone may be able to!

Arrgghh, my eyes…

what is that bike above..?

Think its a pronghorn

The Pronghorn might look wrong but it's a bloody belter! Had one for a month, made me feel like a legend!

i think that mountain bikers should serve an apprenticeship.

before you're allowed to buy a mountain bike, you should spend at least 6months riding something like my first mountain bike: rigid forks, friction shifting, cantilever brakes, chrome plated steel rims, awful geometry… i think you get the idea.

i think this would help people see just how good modern bikes are.

2wd drive bikes?

That create bikes website is awful. Makes me feel sick!

I have not ridden a bad bike in my life, at the time I owned them I thought they were all great. I have ridden and tested some bikes I didn't like but none of them were bad.

There may not be any bad bikes but there are some butt ugly bikes. Function over form apparently, orange's come to mind as do those pronghorns.

neilforrow – Member
…and these things:

[pic of carbon/alloy Pronghorn]

just wrong.

Oi! Ugly ? bad. That bike is quite possibly the best full-sus XC race machine there is. Although the bar-ends are wrong.

i think that mountain bikers should serve an apprenticeship.

before you're allowed to buy a mountain bike, you should spend at least 6months riding something like my first mountain bike: rigid forks, friction shifting, cantilever brakes, chrome plated steel rims, awful geometry… i think you get the idea.

i think this would help people see just how good modern bikes are.

Same thing for cars/motorcycles etc. You've only got to read the current 'what car focus/astra/golf' post to realise that the majority of people have never driven a crap car – say pre-1980 also-ran.

am i the only one tempted by one of those Create bikes??

Ugly ? bad.

But does it though? – with little else to choose between bikes, it can be the only decision maker.

HoratioHufnagel – Member

am i the only one tempted by one of those Create bikes??
No 😕