OK, I’m going to try to clear up this 661s vs. 5:10s debate. I have always run 5:10s since making the purifying leap (pun intended) from spds to flats. The grip level they offer is really reassurring when going from the secure feeling that clipping in gives to riding flats for the first time since you were in your early teens.
BUT at £30 from our chums at CRC a pair of ’06 661 Dually Takis were just too tempting for me recently, particularly with the recent price hikes that seem to be affecting a lot of goodies including 5:10s. I rode them for the first time last weekend and they were fine, even in soggy conditions mucking about with freelap poles and playing on the jumps. Definately not as grippy as 5:10s, but good enough.
So RR I’d suggest if you are experimenting with flats for the first time in a while you try the cheaper 661s with the Taki sole, the sizing seems normal to me, maybe a bit snug at first, but they wore in quick enough. If you see the light and want to stick with flats then treat yourself to some 5:10s.
I have no experience of riding in Vans or any other skate-type shoe, my ankles are far too skinny to be shown off without a bit of bootie coverage…