I've had 2 last year to support a 3 tooth bridge. Very pleased having not had teeth back there for 15yrs due to rugby clashes. I'm of the belief you get what you pay for and it's one area I certainly wouldn't take short cuts in. The guy I went too was amazing and actually teaches the procedure at Sheffield Uni, was recommended by my dentist as being top of the pile in the field so that was reassuring. It did cost best part of £6k though but money well spent in my opinion
Anyone had a dental implant?
Blimey, am struggling to keep up with this thread!
Thanks again, will be going the private route and have an emergency appointment this week. Currently in the midst of mega dental work anyway so not happy with extra expenditure.
Ceepers - just to be clear, I'm certainly not suggesting the cost is a lot for what you get, nor am I suggesting dentists are making out like bandits. It's just that if you're paying it can be a lot of money for many people.
@igm in my opinion a lot of dentists are making out like bandits as our "market" for dental works unregulated with no competition. I paid much less in Singapore and Paris for higher quality treatment and as I posted a good friend does likewise in Belgium.
@igm it is a lot of money for most people but life is expensive and more so in the uk than many other places. All dental practices have high costs ( my practice has 3 treatment rooms and costs in the region of 40 grand A MONTH for us to open the doors and we are "average") all staff want decent wages, national insurance, pensions, etc & the amount of regulation that exists already is ridiculous and only adds to cost.
@jambalaya if you know nothing it's better not to post. Yes there are some unscrupulous people in this as in all walks of life but certainly not many.
As I stated before, the costs of everything are different in different countries. Those dentists are not working within our system, rubbish as it is and I bet you they make at least as much at the end of the month as their uk colleagues. As food for thought, a few years ago Specsavers and Boots bought quite a few dental practices then sold them all a few years later because they couldn't make enough money out of dentistry!
@ceepers what on earth makes you think I know nothing ?
As I posted previously I have a relative who came to the uk to practice from South Africa as its so lucrative here. Recently there was one year at his dental school in Port Elizabeth where 100% of the graduates came to the UK to practice. I have seen the books at dentists In UK and France so I have a decent idea of the amounts being made. I had a number of quite detailed conversations with my Singapore dentist who was trained and worked in UK before he kced out there for lifestyle reasons. The private sector in the UK (ie the majority of dentists in South East where I lived) is unregulated with regard to charges and not monitored by insurance companies as in other countries where these insurance companies have scales and limits for treatment costs. I think the treatment costs the NHS will reimburse are too low (that information is available publically) but its a fraction of what is charged privately.
I know a number of GP's and they are nothing like as well off as their equivalent local small town dentists
I vote with my feet and for the past 6 years have had all my dental work done in Singapore or Paris.
Ok so you are a member of the public who thinks he knows about the profession from a limited amount of experience of dentistry in an area of the country that is not exactly typical with regards to costs or incomes. Who has had conversations with a dentist who left the uk because the grass WAS greener somewhere else (although there aren't huge numbers of belgian or french dentists in the uk despite how much we are all raking it in which kinda says something!)
You are comparing us to countries that have wildly different healthcare systems and systems of funding and different general costs and expectations of standards of living.
You are not a member of the profession with many years of experience working in the NHS and private sector including running their own business, so no, you dont know enough, you just have a preconcieved incorrect idea you are looking to justify. Your implications are offensive to the many hard working dentists who are trying to offer a standard of care at the highest level within what is quite frankly a laughable system without going bankrupt or mad from stress (bet you didnt know that dentistry ranks third in the list of jobs that have the highest suicide rate!) If the whole thing was insuarance based we would all be much happier - the insuarance companies generally pay a lot more than the "going rate" for private fees in most of the country
ps isnt internet arguing fun?!
I hope this thread doesn't turn into a "Dentistry should be free" but just to give you another POV my mate (qualified dentist, so too his wife) own a dentist shop and have recently got locum(s) in whilst they sail around the world, they are 4 years into a 7 year "tour"
As far as my opinion on the matter goes, Dentistry should be free, we pay NI and Taxes to fund the NHS, this is part of the NHS.
It would be great if it was free but the NHS cant afford half decent dentistry even with the patient paying most of the costs as it is.
In fact there have been charges for nhs dentistry since 3 years after the NHS was formed.
Here's a good example..... i recently made a bridge for a patient to rplace a couple of missing teeth. This is a treatment that is available on the nhs but the cost to me of buying the alloy and porcelain for the bridge and for getting it made was more than the total fee the nhs paid the practice for the whole job so i was on a loser even if i wrote off the cost of the other materials, heat, light etc as well as working for nothing myself and expecting my nurse and receptionist to work for free. I would have been better off giving the guy £50 and telling him to go somewhere else but thats not ethical so i didn't.
This isnt an unusual situation and you cant run a business where your costs exceed your fees for any great percentage of the time (believe me the banks dont like that!) and this is the problem with NHS dentistry. The only way the NHS model works is by doing a huge volume of work with the cheapest materials as quickly as possible - often why people have bad experiences of treatment at some NHS practices. Personally i and many others believe that this model limits the quality of work & standard of care you can offer, therefore many practices opt out of the NHS to some degree so they can spend more time with people and use beter materials and do a better job.
Thanks to NHS dentistry in the 60's and 70's every dentist used to drill and fill cos that's how they earned their money. No care was taken with amalgam fillings - they were just done in a very sloppy way by using massive amounts of the substance. Preventative dentistry did not exist.
I'm now having these all removed in the hope that my health will improve.
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