Watched a Police Camera Action programme last night where a bloke refused to stop for police and refused to give his ID, he had no insurance or licence and didn’t turn up for his hearing. He said he was a “freeman on the land” and didn’t have to do anything the police told him.

Checked it out in Wiki and found this – https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemen_on_the_land

Seems a little bonkers!! I know it doesn’t hold any legal power so why do people try and use it? Is it common?

*opens jaffa cakes and awaits the arrival of thegreatape, an acknowledged expert on the subject* 🙂

My limited understanding of it is a wilful misunderstanding of maritime law? Or some other such nonsense which means you can’t be governed or laws don’t really apply as you’ve not entered into a contract or something.

Anyway, it’s nuts.

Yep, used to get them all the time. Not so much nowadays, sadly… 😉

A judge in Canada took the time to go through all of their cobblers and it rather put paid to it having any legitimate basis, so it all started to drop off:

Meads v Meads

Well worth a read if you have time…

Watched a Police Camera Action programme last night where a bloke refused to stop for police

Did he have a beard?

bonkers!! I know it doesn’t hold any legal power so why do people try and use it?

Lack of any real understanding of the law, coupled with blindly believing things written on the internet, written by people with possibly even less understanding of the law.

I always wondered why the instant response to the “I’m a feeman of the land” wasn’t “oh, ok”, then give them a good kicking and steal take all their stuff the stuff they carry with them but recognise no legal entitlement to.

There’s some great videos of ‘sovereign citizens’ in the US.

It’s the legal equivalent of covering your eyes and claiming you’re invisible.

Once, a troubled individual seated on the same table as myself at a wedding. That was a difficult couple of hours.

Once, a troubled individual seated on the same table as myself at a wedding. That was a difficult couple of hours.

Was it an annulment or a divorce?

sovereign citizens

And there’s a wonderfully oxymoronic name too, you’re either sovereign or a citizen, you can’t be both.

Absolute wallopers of the highest order. This clownshoe uses the nonsense to try and defend driving his van while using his mobile phone

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPpRAay8HLE[/video]

*waves at perchypanther while helping himself to a handful of jaffa cakes*

I’m not sure anyone can be an expert on nonsense, apart from Henry’s Cat, but either way I’m not one – I’ve just met a couple of these chaps. I’m having a lazy day so I’ll just cut and paste my previous contribution.

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Just met my first one – what fun they are . Thankfully this one had at least remembered to insure his car and obtain a driving licence, so we didn’t have to do anything to get us on YouTube. It was interesting to note that although they are not bound by the law in any way, they do recognise the authority of the battleaxe sitting next to them when they are scolded like a naughty boy and told to ‘stop being an arse and show them your driving licence’. And they go a funny purpley colour when you say ‘Magna Carta? That’s not even a real thing mate’. If you can find one I heartily recommend them for a bit of sport.

yep , normally on the wrong side of the bars having talked themselves into custody. And last week one poor sucker who believed advise from a FOTL who had managed to turn a fine and points into a driving disqualification thus putting his job and family life at risk.

They are talking complete and utter cobblers.

Ah apparently they think they can have all the advantages of being a citizen but aren’t required to follow the laws. Video of a guy done for speeding but claims he wasn’t speeding he was ‘travelling’ which isn’t illegal…

Sounds somewhat related to that crazy thing about names being illegal that I can’t seem to google…

Sounds somewhat related to that crazy thing about names being illegal that I can’t seem to google…

Using a legal name is illegal, legal name fraud and all that bollocks.

They are all crackers…

wait, Police Camera Action? hasn’t that been off the air since about 1999?

I’ve read about them in the past, it sounds like a wonderful scheme.

You get to live in a country, benefit from it’s infrastructure, defence, policing, NHS etc etc etc, but just not accept any of it’s laws, unless they suit you.

All the benefits of society, without any of the drawbacks.

Is David Davis a freeman?

Is David Davis a freeman?

The difference is DD is well aware it’s an impossible joke but is quite right in thinking that admitting such will get him lynched.

As opposed to a FoTL who is convinced they’re right and thinks wrongly they will be worse off if they admit it’s all nonsense.

Oh gawd.

Close this thread. Close it now.

Are we detaining you? Are you free to go?

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