BBC News Story

Not jumping to conclusions but sounds ominous. 🙁

Awful news to hear. This hate needs to stop

Just senseless, driver of van apprehended by members of the public, miracle he wasn’t lynched.

Looks like it was a revenge attack. Targeting Muslims. We’ll find out I expect as the driver has been arrested.

Pontyclun Van Hire 😥

Terrible news.

Sounds like the work of an idiotic senseless bigot

Sounds like the work of a terrorist

driver of van apprehended by members of the public, miracle he wasn’t lynched.

Guardian reporting that a local Imam shielded the driver until the police arrived.

If it’s terrorism one way round then it’s terrorism the other too.

Doesn’t stop the perpetrators being dicks though

Houns – Member
Sounds like the work of a terrorist

I don’t disagree and this sadly proves that hate begets hate! It’s a circle of idiocy

Terrible. Yes it’s terrorism no matter who the victims are.

Sounds like the work of a terrorist

That was the sentiment of the crowd interviewed as the mosque – i.e. incensed that it was not being called terrorism from the first moment in the media but only an attack. Language has changed overnight.

I’ve got so say I instinctively think of terrorism as acts carried out by someone part of an organisation. But I guess any attack which attempts to illicit terror is terrorism.

There were also some muslims at the scene interviewed (radio 4) saying that this showed the white British population needed educating to rid the nation of anti muslim sentiment. Whilst that might be right that does feel a bit of pot and kettle to me.

Sounds like an EDL/BNP type idiot on some sort of revenge attack rampage. Shame the crowd didn’t lynch him.

That was the sentiment of the crowd interviewed as the mosque – i.e. incensed that it was not being called terrorism from the first moment.

Well, luckily the **** didn’t get chance to jump out & stab/shoot anybody so initially he could have just been a drunk or had a hearty at the wheel or something

Now, though, this sounds like the work of a total and utter ****

I fear this will downgraded from “terrorism” if it turns out this is a revenge attack by some nut job non-Muslim guy.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40322960

“When the guy came out from his van he wanted to escape, run away and he was saying ‘I want to kill Muslims. ‘I want to kill Muslims.'”

This is the United Kingdom we don’t go lynching people !

I want to know what the white English community are doing to stop this type of extremism, it is their problem isn’t it.

Terrible news.

Every white UK person should adorn their homes with “Not in my name” 🙄

I want to know what the white English sub-chimp tossrag community are doing to stop this type of extremism, it is their problem isn’t it.

Hmmm, wonder who they should interview for their thoughts

van was hired in Wales

Did you mean British when you said English?

I want to know what the white English community are doing to stop this type of extremism, it is their problem isn’t it.

What are you doing to stop extremism? It’s everyone’s problem.

My girlfriend missed that by about 10min (lives in Finsbury Park, she got off a bus under the train bridge and walked past the mosque entrance). if something had happened to her I wouldn’t have become radicalised to perform a similar act. But then I’m not lacking in scruples or failing to see that division/hate ultimately achieves nothing.
Neither does pinning blame on one group for society’s ills.

I want to know what the white English community are doing to stop this type of extremism, it is their problem isn’t it.

When you say white do you mean non muslim?

I’m sure there’s white muslims.

I am with Houns hate does indeed beget hate. Well done to whoever got hold of the driver, and held him till police arrived. Yes the perpetrator is a terrorist.

Well done to whoever got hold of the driver, and held him till police arrived.

That would have been an/the Imam.

deadkenny

I fear this will downgraded from “terrorism” if it turns out this is a revenge attack by some nut job non-Muslim guy.

gordimhor
Yes the perpetrator is a terrorist.

I can’t understand why you would “fear” an attack being downgraded, other than some kind of white guilt or misplaced desire to create equivolence between all acts of violence. If the police investigate, find he’s a lone madman and decide that he acted alone for no reason other than his own psychopathy or hatred then that’s not a terrorist act.

My understanding of terrorism is basically “the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.”

He could well be a terrorist, assuming he has laid out a manifesto or system of beliefs that his attack was part of. Even more so if he’s part of an established group who have been carrying out attacks like this for political or religious or ethnic goals. There are degrees to everything and the less people he acted with, the less people subscribe to his manifesto, and the less people regulalry carry out attacks like this (or are likely to) then the less of a credible terrorist threat he becomes.

ISIS, Al Queda etc are fairly well established terrorist groups. They have funding, and networks all over the world. They carry out attacks (both organised and inspired) in Europe, Asia, Africa, Australia and the U.S. We know they’ll continue to do these things. They produce propaganda magazines like Dabiq and Rumiyah, and they execute hundreds of people in well produced and edited videos. Forty thousand foreign fighters travelled to Syria to fight with ISIS and they are now urging their followers to go Africa and South East Asia instead. They repeatedly tell us exactly what they believe.

Calling everything terrorism doesn’t help anything.

kerley
I want to know what the white English community are doing to stop this type of extremism, it is their problem isn’t it.

Not being English I wouldn’t know, but what political or religious texts do white English people adhere to which advocates attacking people like this? Is there something analogous to jihadism and martyrdom?

nation of anti muslim sentiment. Whilst that might be right that does feel a bit of pot and kettle to me

Well in this case it sounds like the guy was actually black.

The racists.

Funny how were not foaming at the mouth in fake grief and lynching those jumping to conclusions in this thread.

#heaintnorealwhitebruv

#heaintnorealfridgebruv

Etc etc

This is the United Kingdom we don’t go lynching people

Islam is a peaceful religion, why would anyone be surprised that the driver was detained but protected by followers of that faith so he can face appropriate justice?

Hate begets hate

Understand what is meant, but I disagree. Just as the perpetrators of Manchester, London Bridge, Bataclan, etc., are not representatives of the religion as a whole, there is no point in associating the innocent victims of this terror attack with them either. So it’s not hate begets hate; it’s innocent victims of another hate crime carried out by a twisted individual.

Otherwise when we find out who the terrorist was in this incident, and find out what he ‘represents’ you may as well say anyone else of that leaning then becomes a target.

Hyperbole, but just suppose it turns out he likes brass band music, does that make all followers of brass band music targets and if someone then does attack a brass band convention would you then be saying ‘hate begets hate’ in the same way?

[yes, I realise that opens the wormcan on whether the Koran does or doesn’t call for death to infidels, etc., whereas I’m not aware of it being even a debating point in the world of brass bands, but you know what i mean]

Hate doesnt beget hate? Wheyyyyyy lets bomb the **** out of everyone we dont like – because nothing we do has any consequences – we’re not responsible for our own collective actions as a society!

He could well be a terrorist, assuming he has laid out a manifesto or system of beliefs that his attack was part of.

he was saying ‘I want to kill Muslims. ‘I want to kill Muslims.'”

That’ll do for me.

I can’t understand why you would “fear” an attack being downgraded,

Because we’ll get the “its one thing for white people to me killed by Muslim extremist terrorists to be called terrorism, but when a white English guy does it to us its less important” type argument fuelling division.

His intention was to kill or maim, and strike terror or worry to those using Mosques. He’s a terrorist plain and simple. Thoughts with the injured.

Do you feel responsible for this man’s actions then? Collectively or individually?

I don’t. I dissociate myself absolutely from ***** like this.

Theotherjon – not yet in this case – as I get the feeling the bloke will turn out to be a Christian lunatic.

If he turns out to be an atheist though, I will do some soul searching with my atheist mates in regards to our views about Muslims and whether we ideologically fuelled a campaign of terror. 😆

Islam is a peaceful religion

Sorry, but cite. I hear this said a lot, but I hear no proof, just repetition. What makes Islam inherently more or less peaceful than other religions? I’m no expert, but it seems that their are proponents of religiously justified violence within Islam, just as there are within Christianity and Judaism, as well as the more calm, sensible individuals who think that’s all hogwash (and thankfully make up the vast majority of all the religious groups; but this is probably down to people being decent people rather than any inherent ‘peaceful religion’ stuff).

In this given situation, that fact that the attacker was subdued and protected from serious harm by the Imam shows that the Imam was a respected individual with his head screwed on, nothing more, nothing less, and kudos to him for that.

I don’t think that any (Abrahamic) religion can truely claim to be a ‘religion of peace. (Unless they also accept that they are a religion of incompetence; because they all seem fairly bad at the ‘peace’ malarkey.)

Another tragic symptom of our failing mental health education and support systems.
60+ million people on a small island – we need to exponentially increase education and mental health funding if we are to stand a chance of maintaining a truly tolerant and peaceful society.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/23/uk-muslim-leaders-condemn-cowardly-london-attack

But equally I’d ask the other – if it genuinely was ‘the word of islam’ to commit these attacks, then we’d be seeing many millions more attacks.

You make the correct point – within any group, however you define it – men, women, white, people born in July, men called Dave, followers of islam….. there will be a proportion of idiots. But most will be decent people. Just as we don’t think all people called Dave are idiots because you know one who is.

@v8ninety – The problem with all the Abrahamic faiths is when f**kwits decide to focus on a badly translated passage* and either take it literally or interpret it to their own means that move away from the underlying message.
All three have as a core tenet that you shouldn’t be a dick and don’t do bad things in ‘Gods’ name (I’m paraphrasing a smidge)

There are a significant amount more muslims, christians and jews out there living peaceful lives and doing nice things than there are the absolute bellends going around spreading hate and murdering people and justifying it on religious grounds.

*The king james bible translation has a lot of hate and death to answer for

Another tragic symptom of our failing mental health education and support systems.
60+ million people on a small island – we need to exponentially increase education and mental health funding if we are to stand a chance of maintaining a truly tolerant and peaceful society.

I don’t think this is the case., Not saying that we shouldn’t be providing more education and mental health focus but the two things are not necessarily linked. The UK doesn’t have a monopoly on having a certain proportion of nutters or vulnerable people in our midst and in fact compared to other countries we’re pretty good. I think the press is doing a great job of playing into the hands of the nutters and fanning the flames of all the negative sentiment that is going on. As Jo Cox says, there is more that unites us than divides us, but you wouldn’t get that from the press.

What is missing in all of this is any sensible and open debate. There is too much of “if you don’t believe in this, then you are a xxxxxxist”. We’ve seen it with Brexit where if you voted to leave yo’re apparently stupid, with criticism of islam your racist (not sure why as Islam is a religion not a race) and other topics. People have become nasty and aggressive rather than curious and objective – and the politically correct liberal crowd are to blame. It seems the only loser out of this is freedom of speech where people are now afraid to talk openly, and when this happens you lose the opportunity to tackle peoples opinions and change them and these opinions go underground and fester unchallenged. Tolerance works both ways and when you have a segment of our society who refuses to tolerate any focus on their religion or criticism of it and demand special treatment, then there is bound to be some fall out of that – it is inevitable. If we want a liberal and open society then all members of it have to subscribe to certain rules submit themselves and their beliefs to scrutiny and challenge and criticism.

I’m waiting to hear ISIS have claimed credit for the attack.

More seriously I’m getting really worried about the world my two little boys will grow up in.

and the politically correct liberal crowd are to blame

Hmmm. Balanced view 😉

What is missing in all of this is any sensible and open debate. There is too much of “if you don’t believe all Muslims are a murderous threat to our way of life, then you are a xxxxxxist”. We’ve seen it with Brexit where if you voted to remain you are apparently a terrorist-appeasing, idiotic champagne-socialist with your calls to ‘protect’ Muslamics from so-called hate your(sic) a child-raping approving, terrorist-supporting, race-baiting idiot (not sure why as Islam is a third-world child-raping terrorist organization not a race) and other topics. People have become nasty and aggressive rather than curious and objective – and the uneducated, racist, xenophobic, knuckle-dragging Nationalist crowd are to blame.

ftfy. And around it goes.