it's always large vehicles involved - why don't people have the common sense to just steer clear of them
ride with common sense
We cannot deny the fact that some accidents could be avoided if cyclists were better trained. (riding up inside of lorries for example)
Seems to be quite a lot of victim blaming going on here.
Are we saying that every cycling fatality is due to someone NOT riding with "common sense"?
I don't know the details of the two fatalities in this thread, but I've certainly heard of people killed after being hit from behind by traffic, particularly HGVs.
Most publicly the Eilidh Cairns tragedy which her sister Kate bravely describes:
On 5th February 2009 my sister, Eilidh, was cycling her usual route to work from Kentish Town to Chiswick on her beloved ‘Fixie’. It was a 20mile round trip which she had tracked every day for three years. She cycled everywhere she went but during her commute alone she had racked up 12,000 miles.
At approximately 8.56am at Notting Hill Gate she was struck from behind by a fully laden 32tonne tipper lorry and dragged under its wheels. Fully conscious pinned under a double wheel that had completely crushed her pelvis she quietly asked passers-by "Please help me, please help me".
At 10.58am my sister’s life was pronounced extinct by surgeons at The Royal London Hospital.
Eilidh and the truck were travelling on a one-way two-lane road with no nearby junctions. Just before the collision she was in front towards the right of the lorry. She was not filtering up the left, she was not riding next to the kerb, she was not in the passenger side blind spot, and the lorry was not turning left.
For another example see the thread from the other day where an experienced cyclist was killed by a car overtaking on the wrong side of the road on a bend. What common sense would have saved her?