I don’t, but then that’s not what this thread’s about is it dearest binbins

How DARE you disagree, now look what you’ve done…

The way I understood it – if you get the ball cleanly, then someone trips over your leg – no foul. If you put your leg in the space their legs should be in order to get the ball then foul, even if you succeed in getting the ball?

It’s not clear to me, even though I played 5 years of football at school. Does this mean it’s a complicated issue?

yes.

For a start getting the ball is no longer sufficient for it to be a fair tackle. From the side or the back have different requirements than a head on tackle for example. Tackling from behind – in layman’s terms you can’t get the opponent irrespective of whether it’s ball first, ball second, both together – it has to be a clean tackle. Which in essence means it’s virtually impossible, which is deliberate to remove the Keown / Adams type of tackle from the game, and allow players to shield a ball from a defender without worrying whether their achilles was about to be severed.

The laws are clear. Holding, pulling, tripping, kicking, etc. are all fouls. Bodily contact as long as proportionate is not. Interpretation is very difficult which is why every year referees are given guidance on how to interpret the laws consistently. Yet most fans, and frighteningly low numbers of players and TV pundits ever read the International Board Decisions.

The laws are clear. Holding, pulling, tripping, kicking, etc. are all fouls.

Attempting to trip or kick are fouls as well, which very few pundits seem aware of – “no contact” or “minimal contact” don’t necessarily mean it’s not a foul as long as the intent was to trip or kick, which is where it gets difficult for refs, how do you interpret or prove intent?

even harder when you’re short sighted and unsure of your parentage.

I used to ref at local league level. I’d get moaned at continually through the game, then they’d buy me a beer, confess there’s no way that they’d ever consider refereeing themself, and try to persuade me not to put the report in where I booked them for calling me a ***ing useless ****

lol at jonv! Clearly there is such an obscene amount of money in the game, people playing at the top level will seek all options to gain an advantage. That is the major problem. Watch the games in the lower leagues and players are far more honest.

even harder when you’re short sighted

The SFA did strike a spectacular sponsorshp deal there

It leads to some of the undesirable elements like simulating contact to gain a foul

Or blatant cheating to give it its proper name.

I used to go to watch my hometown footie team quite a bit in the late seventies and quite enjoyed it. However the combination of moving away and living in a city where rugby is the main thing has changed my opinion.

It’s not just the diving and rolling about pretending to be hurt. There’s also the continual complaining to,and about, the referee, the yobbish foul mouthed fans (not all to be fair but there are plenty), the obscene wages paid, clubs that are no more than playthings of billionaire foreign crooks, being treated like an animal when you go to watch and many other reasons. I couldn’t care less if Arsenal PLC has a better share price than Manchester Ltd, which is what it mainly seems to be about now.

Mind you, there was a bit of play acting at Murrayfield last weekend that could have been straight out of a football ground, and rugby is, I suspect, a sport in huge denial about steroid abuse, so it’s far from perfect either.

I’d much rather watch the Tour of Flanders or Paris – Roubaix these days.

Footballers – what bastards

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-38331624

and as for the fans. Despicable.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-38322612

Poor sod. Sunderland 🙄

So remind me, what lessons can football learn from ice hockey? I can’t wait to take my kids to see these role models.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QHcXtEVdag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QHcXtEVdag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clNPSE01W-M

I went to a fight once, and midway through an ice hockey match broke out.

Watching the refs makes me chuckle. Doing sunday league often used to involve a scuffle of some sort, at which everyone else would say ‘aren’t you going to stop them?’

What, and risk a stray punch? No, I’ll stand here and make a note of the numbers so I can take action when it calms down, ta very much.

So where do we stand on the video ref declaring a foul in that match in Japan this week?
Maybe it would shut Wenger up…

The solution’s simple- if someone dives or feigns injury, the other team’s Best Fighter gets to inflict on them the tackle or injury that they pretended they’d got.

I blame Klinsmann

[video]https://youtu.be/UjsH2qPtseM[/video]
And special for bin bins….
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Diving seems far worse of a problem if all you watch is Match of the Day, in the course of a full game, particularly as you go down the leagues I do not see it as a major problem.

I still really like that to an extent (bar goal line tech recently in the Premier Leaugue) the game of football you watch on the TV is the same as the game you can watch on a Sunday down the park. Footballs ruling bodies could bring in sweeping change to retrospectively punish divers etc but what makes football so great is that barring real obvious cases there is so much opinion on what constitutes playacting / diving etc.
Even with offside decisions and penalty claims after watching the incident from 4 different angles you can still not be sure sometimes…

For me the problem with football these last few years has been the massive increase in pressure put on referees in the media, it started with managers never blaming their own players and shifting the pressure onto the refs (No problem with that) but now pundits and fans are blaming the refs far more than they ought to.
Referees will get the blame for teams losing more than the player who missed the one on one, or the player who never cut the ball back to feed his team mate.
Lazy ex players in studios still cannot grasp criticizing the players more so than the ref cause the ref is the easy target.
There is so little talk of actual tactics, positioning, style of play etc in the studio and the default position is just to bleat about the ref.

Btw I am not a ref and do not know any 😀

Makes ya tink don’t it.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MusyO7J2inM[/video]

Binners, that’s an epic flounce. So typical of a football man…

I help coach kids football and some of them are the mardyiest little shits. Some are tough as **** but then never get any attention. My huge pet hate which I’m trying to stamp out is shoulder barging, it’s the most pointless contact and **** dirty if you ask me. If you want the ball get the foot in, slide in, get under them don’t just steam in with basically a shove!

Binners, that’s an epic flounce. So typical of a football man…

Ah, but he un-flounced shortly afterwards, so was just faking it.. 😉

The football manager was probably and ex player .. lead by example

To try and get rid of some of the blatant cheating ala alpins vids then some sort of reto active punishment via for example a citing committee would be ideal.

Even then some decisions would be difficult given the speed the game is played at but it would be a start and let’s face it give the ex players and pundits even more to talk about and someone other than the ref to blame.

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