Tom Ravenscroft is the winner for me by far. Great music, doesn't say too much
6music-anyone else losing the faith?
It's pretty much the least bad station, isn't it? Too much talking, too much samey music outside the specialist shows, particularly the classic music - I like the Cure but equally I like Public Enemy, you'll hear plenty of the former and little of the latter in the general programming.
It's a very Lamacq station generally, and that's not a compliment - everything that can ever be faulted with the NME applies equally to 6music. Indie snobs basically, and outside of the specialist shows, I'd say it's very, very 'white' and guitary. Little or no hip hop, little or no 'dance' music of any kind, just guitars of lesser or greater jangliness.
My listening now is mostly limited to Saturdays, and specifically Peterson and Charles. What I really don't get is the vibe-killing scheduling of Tom Robinson following Craig Charles - you get three hours of funk and soul which creates a certain vibe and then CRASH here's Tom with some plodding guitar noodling from the mid 1970s...
The trouble is that every radio station has to generalise for it's tartget audience. I find that everyone's music collection is a bit like a fingerprint, you'll never find someone with the same collection of songs, they may be similar but never exactly the same.
The Pixies obsession has been getting on my tits of late, but try listening to other stations and you'll soon be back to 6. At least I hear the odd northern soul track on 6, and I still get surprised when they play a track I haven't heard for 20 or 30 years.
Keep the faith!
As above - far too much talking for me.
Craig Charles, Huey and Gilles Peterson are great though. Radcliffe and Maconie are ok.
I like it a lot.
Just got a new car with DAB and its all I listen to. Beats having to make the choice between R1 and R2 as far as I am concerned
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I cant listen to Edith Bowman or Mary Anne Hobbs. Both vacuuous drivel merchants.
Couldn't describe them better
6 music does appear to have lost it way a bit, is it a coincidence that it's coincided with there Sony award.
I hated Keavney when he first started - probably because Phil Jupitus was so good - but he's grown on me and is much better than the other breakfast radio alternatives.
Apart from round table I find Steve Lamacq so a indie disco geek bore.
The biggest issue though is the constant sound bites and podcast announcements - it's almost as anoting a double glazing ads on commercial radio!
The playlist appears to be more limited these days too.
Keaveney is turning into the moyles of 6. play some music FFS, no-one wants to hear your endless crap impressions. Laverne has good and bad days. Rad/Mac i dont mind, but come 4pm its time to turn off!
The trouble is that every radio station has to generalise for it's tartget audience.
We should have more specific radio stations, not fewer general ones. DAB promised this initially but it's not really delivered that much especially as XFM is now off-air in many places
used to listen to it loads. Always loved the 6 mix on Sunday. I cannot stand Shaun Keaveny. He is ridiculously unfunny and very annoying
They used to play lots more hip hop, drum and bass, dub step and electro stuff like burial, deft
Need to get sonos in the house
And how many times can they play the sodding Pixies in a day
And The Arcade Fire! (Yes I know Bowie is on it but less is more).
The trouble is that every radio station has to generalise for it's tartget audience
Not sure that's actually true, although it seems to be treated as a truism. Try Radio 3. If you've not listened before, you'd think it would be all Beethoven, Mozart and that crowd, but they manage to play all sorts of sounds from all over the world too. Yeah, there's plenty orchestras playing stuff by dead Europeans, but even within that there's a very wide range of stuff played, not just the same few composers. And then on top they'll have, and not hidden away at three in the morning, nose flute music from outer Mongolia, or some African tribal thing, or in fact just about anything from anywhere in the world.
If 6music programmed like Radio 3, yes, you'd still get the usual suspects, the Smiths, Joy Division, Elbow, Pixies et al, but you'd also get the stuff around the edges, and not just obscure stuff, but, say, Thompson Twins, Adam and the Ants, stuff that's stuck in the middle now, too "edgy" for Smashie and Nicey's Hits of the 80s FM but too "pop" for the NME crowd.
I find the "generalising" of the commercial stations that I should like but don't is a positive turn-off. I like classic rock, but what's the point of listening to classic rock radio when they not only play the same few bands, but even play the same few tracks by those same few bands. "After the break, coming up we've got Faith No More, Black Sabbath and the Eagles" doesn't get me to stay tuned in, even if I like some of those bands because I know that, despite all three having had tons of big singles, what's coming up after the break is "Epic", "Paranoid" and "Hotel California". Again.
So yes, classic rock stations should generalise to an extent, and play those bands that everyone knows, but surely listeners who like Sabbath might be excited to hear Sabbath Bloody Sabbath, or even Never Say Die for a change? People who liked Faith No More back in day are sick of hearing bloody Epic, but maybe have forgotten how cool Everything's Ruined is, and those people of my age who liked Faith No More back in the day would probably be excited to hear the occasional blast of the Wildhearts, or Terrorvision, or even bloody Therapy? (okay, maybe not Therapy?).
Generalising for an audience constituency shouldn't mean that you can fit your entire playlist onto a double CD compilation, which seems to be the case for commercial radio, or in the case of 6music, only culled from the NME Big Book of Guitar Jangles.
Oh yeah, one more thing, what's worse than playing the same middle-of-the-road indie landfill? Playing obscure stuff just for the sake of it being obscure. Yes, Maconie, I'm looking at you. The reason why most of the stuff you play on the Freak Zone is obscure isn't because mainstream audiences weren't exposed to it, or weren't up to appreciating it intellectually, it's because it's pretentious shite.
Don letts is good Lauren laverne and Radcliffe/Maconie are ok .A lot of the rest is pretty formulaic although I haven't listened to Ravenscroft .
Playing obscure stuff just for the sake of it being obscure.
I thought your post wasn't making much sense, then I read that and know it's not.
What the f is "obscure"? New, unheard stuff? Stuff not played by Radio 1?
DezB, I drew a distinction, admittedly in a previous post, between the blandfest of daytime output and the specialist shows.
The bulk of my rant refers to the former, the bit at the end, the latter.
I don't get to listen as much as I'd like to. I basically enjoy Shaun Keaveny. The very low-energy shambolic schtick is about what I'm up to in the morning and I find him quite soothing.
I often miss Jarvis Cocker's show, but it is an absolute treat when I'm around. He has such an eclectic approach to what might conceivably fit into a radio show that it's hard not to be delighted by it.
As a general matter, I'm not a massive music fan, and I don't have particularly strong expectations for what I wish to listen to. Can't abide commercial radio at all, I simply have to turn it off as commercial breaks drive me insane. So the bar is low, but 6music gets over it without any bother.
Unfortunately, by the time I get up Lauren Laverne is the middle of her show most days - she's had the good first hour, and descended into tedious tosh, with the occasional playlist regular (Pixies) and 20 minutes of talking to some obscure band who a) don't want to talk or b) have nothing to say.
Saturdays are even worse - I wake up to that awful northern woman's show. She is absolutely brutal; I honestly don't understand how she's regarded as DJ material. Tony Blackburn doing his Smashy and Nicey best on R2 is better than that (and that's saying something).
Last weekend Tom Ravenscroft was standing in on Saturday lunchtime and that was good.
Sundays are good though - Huey Morgan. Cocker can be a bit pretentious, but it's a good selection of music.
I really miss things like the Bob Dylan theme time radio hour that they used to syndicate.
So on balance, I'm starting to waver, and it's worrying, because I'm not sure where else I'd turn. Even Triple-J is starting to get a bit tedious.
I'm inclined to give 6music a try online.
Radio 1 is utter drivel, celebrity orientated, repetitive (not just the music), really just can't listen any more.
Radio 2 - well, Chris Evans is just about bearable, Ken Bruce still pedalling the same old crap jokes and nursing home humour, Vine - whine time for the retards of the country, really difficult to listen to without punching the radio. Steve Wright is just plain irritating and boring, loves the sound of his own voice. Simon Mayo just totally uninspiring.
Other than that we can't really get DAB in little old Herefordshire, and the local radio is appalling.
What I'm not keen on though, is this 'new music' chit chat where all the presenters think they're the coolest thing out, and act like total morons with an undertone of belittlement for anyone who hasn't heard anything...... Is 6music likely to have me threatening the radio also?
I still don't know what "obscure" means in this day & age!
In the case of Maconie, "obscure" means "pretentious toss that nobody bought when it was released thirty years ago on a record label you've never heard of, because it's rubbish"
The music is still ok IMO but there's too much talking.
"pretentious toss that nobody bought when it was released thirty years ago on a record label you've never heard of, because it's rubbish"
Ah, I see. That sounds like what I'd call "old rubbish"
evenings, and weekends is great, Tom ravenscroft, tom robinson and giles peterson are essential weekly listening for me.
But, those bloody adverts, mary Ann Hobbs especially."think of the show as a boat, with sails, sailing on a sea of great music, but it's actually a bus, and we'll take the musical back roads"
**** right off you pretentious idiot.
I think daytime, weekday 6 music plays a broader range of music than people give them credit for
There is a Playlist, that gets repeated a bit much maybe, but they have far more "off playlist" stuff than other stations, even during the daytime
Glad to hear some hate for Mary Anne Hobnob, I never thought it'd be possible to hear someone sound more unbearably smug than Jo "I was having breakfast with Chris Martin when Bono phoned" Whiley, but Hobbes has managed it.
And yes Whiley did actually say that.
"think of the show as a boat, with sails, sailing on a sea of great music, but it's actually a bus, and we'll take the musical back roads"
"I was having breakfast with Chris Martin when Bono phoned"
I'm really glad the "Bros report" put me off the station totally, so I've missed these things. Exactly the sort of stuff that makes me puke!
i seem to be in the minority when it comes to 6 music. love it all day and evening on weekdays. not so keen at weekends with cerys, jarvis, craig charles, gilles etc. that lot leave me cold. obviously care a lot about their music, but its not my taste being a er.. sad ex-punk
Complete opposite for me. But then I can only take an hour of guitar music at most.
I've found the Jarvis show + mountain biking = a splendid way to spend 2 hours.
The bloke makes me want to shoot myself in the face.
Possibly the only person on the radio who talks about how great his show is more than Marc Riley.
"Great show tonight Marc"
"Hi marc, great show"
"Unbeleivable Marc, I can't believe you're playing [reasonably well known song from the 80s or early nineties] on the radio"
If anyone did this in other walks of life they'd get punched for it.
That Cerys trailer is also radio smashing material.
"think of yourself as a pirate" STFU and pull your head of your arse, you're just playing a few records.
This year 6 has introduced me to Wolf People, Strypes and Eagulls, so im well happy with them.
I can't stand Mary-Anne Hobbs
When she filled in on the morning slot the other month i was woken up to a ten minute maudlin instrumental bit of tosh. I thought someone famous had died and they were playing filler music as a day of national mourning. Just i dug out my phone to go on BBC news she comes on all chipper "That was amazing and uplifting"
Was it fuDGE! I was a tuesday work morning, not a comedown session.
I think I've figured out why it's gone off the boil, you know.
They used to try. Tried to be different, tried to be exciting, tried to bring us all some new stuff, or old stuff we might have missed first time around.
Then they did a listener poll didn't they?
6music listeners' favourite track: Coldplay - Clocks
Maybe we get what we deserve?
lamacq played dead kennedys california uber alles half hour or so ago.
say no more
Keavney could really do with knocking off the impressions.
On the whole it makes up a part of my listening, I like it enough to not want to kill all the DJ's (which I do with most of the line up of Radio 1).
We tried Absolute Radio for a bit in the mornings, I think I 'd rather listen to Abba than that garbage and I really hate Abba.
Also, I've always read it as sadex punk rather than sad-ex punk - think I'll keep reading it my way
Also, I've always read it as sadex punk rather than sad-ex punk - think I'll keep reading it my way
er.... whats sadex then?
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